Beef between WAR and PLD tanks

[Uliq]

Content is designed around IB, in every fight it can be avail for the major spike damage mechanic because it's designed as such.

Content is designed around the base time it takes for war to gain IB yes, but not in skillspeed adds. This means war is holding IB for minimum of 2 seconds longer then neccessary, losing mitigation time that it is theorized to have. If War is holding IB 2 times a min, it loses 4 seconds a min which is 12 seconds every 3 minutes. 12 seconds is more then half the time it takes to develop another IB. Once again, practice vs theory.

[SirTaint]

WAR is a superior MT. A WAR in defiance will out DPS a PLD in shield oath by a good 40-50 DPS.

The two jobs have identical eHP.

On the flip side as OTs in full STR they have near identical DPS with PLD having better on demand CDs and the ability to help SS the MT for big hits.

The only fight I really prefer PLD is solo tanking t9. The shield blocks and multiple heavy CDs really help. There is also plenty of time between hits to always have something up.

[whiskeybravo]

Practice vs theory also tells me I can tank Twin on War only needing to use IB. PLD uses every CD and still has to take 2 DS to the face with no mitigation because they aren't avail.

[Uliq]

you can stone skin before DS goes off...

[whiskeybravo]

Unless it gets interrupted while casting... Even at that it's a max of what, 800 damage off an 8k damage attack.. Lol (oh, 6k thanks to Shield Oath)

[Uliq]

ok.. In that situation, neither the warrior nor the pld would live, inner beast or no inner beast. I takes 2 seconds for a benediction to go off. takes 2.5 seconds to cast stoneskin. If your interrupted that means death sentence is already active and you have less then 2 seconds to heal for damage taken. It takes 1 second for a healer to notice and process the tank being hit. 1 second from the move to go off.

[whiskeybravo]

That's true, if neither tank has a CD available and healers do not properly SS and/or Adlo the tank is gonna drop like a rock. Both tanks.

Since the argument is fading now into talk of reaction time of other party members, might be wise to admit both tanks can do their job exceptionally well. One makes up what the other lacks, and in the end it's best to have both in your party.

[Uliq]

I never said they couldn't. My argument is not and never has been about which tank can tank what content, or which tank couldn't. My argument was 'in practice' not theory, pld mitigates more damage then war on a constant basis. As long as you can drop big hits down to mediums or smalls healers can keep you up.

[Traek]

Since the argument is fading now into talk of reaction time of other party members, might be wise to admit both tanks can do their job exceptionally well. One makes up what the other lacks, and in the end it's best to have both in your party.

lol, go read when Uliq first came in, and realize who you are arguing with. Really isn't worth the breath to go on tangents. He came in not even knowing Defiance essentially = ShO. Also thinks parry + is block+?

Uliq, do some research before you start trying to spread misinformation. Everything you've said has been said before, and dis-proven. Use the search function. Most of us have been tanks for since this game came out, and know theory/practice very well. Many of us even have PLD & WAR and can play both very well, on any fight. You are quite wrong on a lot of points.

As we keep reiterating, PLD & WAR are near equivalent. Switching which one MT is based on boss mechanics/encounters is what most raid groups do.

[elreed]

In short both are equally good, if you have war not only depends the hp you have, you need the best gear for defense and more hp, the HP that you had although was enough, the PLD had better gear than you just by looking at the hp, but if you play correctly, the WAR should be able to tank whatever content you want