Beef between WAR and PLD tanks

[Traek]

Since the argument is fading now into talk of reaction time of other party members, might be wise to admit both tanks can do their job exceptionally well. One makes up what the other lacks, and in the end it's best to have both in your party.

lol, go read when Uliq first came in, and realize who you are arguing with. Really isn't worth the breath to go on tangents. He came in not even knowing Defiance essentially = ShO. Also thinks parry + is block+?

Uliq, do some research before you start trying to spread misinformation. Everything you've said has been said before, and dis-proven. Use the search function. Most of us have been tanks for since this game came out, and know theory/practice very well. Many of us even have PLD & WAR and can play both very well, on any fight. You are quite wrong on a lot of points.

As we keep reiterating, PLD & WAR are near equivalent. Switching which one MT is based on boss mechanics/encounters is what most raid groups do.

[whiskeybravo]

Sorry, I'm frustrated with SCoB right now, and in a somewhat defensive state I suppose. So don't take it personal Uliq (not saying you are, just saying don't). It's been a while since I visited the tank forums, but yes, all this information has been discussed ad nauseum.

[Uliq]

lol, go read when Uliq first came in, and realize who you are arguing with. Really isn't worth the breath to go on tangents. He came in not even knowing Defiance essentially = ShO. Also thinks parry + is block+?

parry and block are off the same stat, either way your mitigating damage and most time a pld supposed to parry it blocks. Not a big issue since the mitigation difference is still + compared to war. Also stated and/or shield increase which does increase block percentage and damage blocked. And I never argued defiance being inferor to ShO. yet again, someone can't read. I said the heal buff from it is negligible. I also stated that in the future the 25% heal buff will be inferor because in truth, PLD's gain the same HP as war per armor stat yet the DR increases as DEFENSE stat increases. So PLDS HP scales with DR, while WAR HP scales. ALSO, if you haven't noticed the defence stats are scaling at a higher rate then vit or HP. I've also been tanking since 2.1 early release when most of you were stuck on ACN

[Mordermi]

parry and block are off the same stat, either way your mitigating damage and most time a pld supposed to parry it blocks. Not a big issue since the mitigation difference is still + compared to war. Also stated and/or shield increase which does increase block percentage and damage blocked. And I never argued defiance being inferor to ShO. yet again, someone can't read. I said the heal buff from it is negligible. I also stated that in the future the 25% heal buff will be inferor because in truth, PLD's gain the same HP as war per armor stat yet the DR increases as DEFENSE stat increases. So PLDS HP scales with DR, while WAR HP scales. ALSO, if you haven't noticed the defence stats are scaling at a higher rate then vit or HP. I've also been tanking since 2.1 early release when most of you were stuck on ACN

You mean 2.0?

[Uliq]

You mean 2.0?

what you said.

[Mordermi]

what you said.

Okay. That makes more sense lol.

[Uliq]

Okay. That makes more sense lol.

I can take the lashing, but don't just spout your wrong with no proof of what's wrong.

[Mordermi]

I can take the lashing, but don't just spout your wrong with no proof of what's wrong.

I didn't, but okay.

[whiskeybravo]

I said the heal buff from it is negligible.

The heal buff helps bring Defiance on par with Shield Oath.. That's hardly negligible.

The rest of that statement doesn't make sense. Physical defense is the same for both tanks, I don't see how you are thinking it scales differently for them. If in fact you mean the scaling of damage reduction in general, yes as time goes one and content starts hitting harding, straight DR scales better for PLD vs just having higher HP.. Again, a topic that has been discussed many moons ago, one that I suspect helped get the changes SE made to WAR in motion.

[Uliq]

The heal buff helps bring Defiance on par with Shield Oath.. That's hardly negligible.

The rest of that statement doesn't make sense. Physical defense is the same for both tanks, I don't see how you are thinking it scales differently for them.

not the physical defense, pld damage reduction scales more with increasing ilvl then wars hit points. In a few upgrades it'll be more noticable unless they rebalance it. Also it is negligible since it still takes a healer +1 or more healing skills to top off war over pld. in most instances you can ignore the 25% heal buff and top the war off with the same amount of curing abilities.