Beef between WAR and PLD tanks

[Uliq]

The heal buff helps bring Defiance on par with Shield Oath.. That's hardly negligible.

The rest of that statement doesn't make sense. Physical defense is the same for both tanks, I don't see how you are thinking it scales differently for them.

not the physical defense, pld damage reduction scales more with increasing ilvl then wars hit points. In a few upgrades it'll be more noticable unless they rebalance it. Also it is negligible since it still takes a healer +1 or more healing skills to top off war over pld. in most instances you can ignore the 25% heal buff and top the war off with the same amount of curing abilities.

[Uliq]

I never said they couldn't. My argument is not and never has been about which tank can tank what content, or which tank couldn't. My argument was 'in practice' not theory, pld mitigates more damage then war on a constant basis. As long as you can drop big hits down to mediums or smalls healers can keep you up.

[elreed]

In short both are equally good, if you have war not only depends the hp you have, you need the best gear for defense and more hp, the HP that you had although was enough, the PLD had better gear than you just by looking at the hp, but if you play correctly, the WAR should be able to tank whatever content you want

[Unty]

This thread is comical. On any non-tank swapping fight, it is easier to MT than to OT. I always prefer to MT because I can just sit my ass there and rotate cool downs. OT actually has to have more fight knowledge, to know exactly when and where adds will pop to be able to grab them with a pre loaded combo, so that the DPS can go ape shit the moment it pops. Turn 4 when it was first released and Turn 7 now come to mind. I suppose the exception that I can think of is Garuda Ex, given that the English speaking world prefers to have the MT take double WW. So the notion that the OT's job is less important or easier is laughable.

Oh yea, and as for Pld or War. Why the hell do people even think it matters still …. outside of a few nuanced situations, where one over the other may be helpful, its still not necessary.

[Orophin]

WAR and PLD are essentially equal, but there's some situations in which you may want to use a WAR over a PLD, and vice versa.

For T6 and T7 we use one of each as there's no point in having two of the same, especially for LB building.

In T8 we use a single WAR tank. More damage = we push phases faster and the fight ends faster. WAR also has great snap threat for those Dreadnaughts.

In T9 we use a single PLD tank. PLD has way more cooldowns than WAR which can be spread out, which is essential to surviving Ravensbeak/Blight and Bahamut's Claw.

The changes in 2.1 really closed the gap between the two, so it's not like there's a clear cut winner between the two in every piece of content anymore.

[Warrlordd]

If PLD>WAR or WAR>PLD you know none of the world first statics would never run WAR/PLD. They've done the math and they have good reasons to run WAR/PLD as your tanking duo.

And so should you.

Enough said.

[MythToken]

Warriors are more fun to play the real advantage #ThanksObama

[Warrlordd]

The only beef there ought to be between WAR and PLD tanks is that the devs put a lot of thought into designing warriors, and paladins are a snoozefest with nothing going for it except for way more defensive cooldowns than any class should ever need.

Paladins gives Warriors Provoke and Flash. That's what the class is good for.

DAT convalescence though.

[AIex]

However, my question is, Am I wrong for telling the PLD to let me be MT instead and he be OT considering the HP difference and hate difference between us both? What's the grand difference between the two tanking classes?

Back to the point
Question 1 - Yes and no. Yes you are wrong for telling him to be OT because of the HP difference. No you are not wrong for telling him to OT because if he losing hate in a dungeon with a TOTAL of 3 mobs, he is a trash tank.

Question 2 - There isn't a GRAND difference. Both tanks roughly take the same amount of damage (via eHP) and both tanks can put out similar DPS numbers overall (WAR can burst harder, PLD can output consistently)

[whiskeybravo]

Yea, I guess the beef is real.. Lol

OP:

For Titan Ex specifically, the consensus is WAR OT because it's easier for them to hold the adds, and that's really about it. A good PLD can hold the adds just fine, but it's generally easier for WAR because of Overpower and Steel Cyclone. Similar example is Turn 4, Warriors can tank the dreads, but it's much easier to let PLD rotate CDs on Dreads while WAR holds all the adds. Either tank can do either role, but there are natural advantages for each that should be taken into consideration.

At the end of the day, there isn't a big difference in the ability of each tank to tank, there are just differences in how they're played. WAR requires a bit more thinking, maintaining the various buffs/debuffs, timing IB correctly, etc. While PLD spams one combo, hits Defensive CDs as needed, and takes it like a champ.