Beef between WAR and PLD tanks

[whiskeybravo]

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Defense is what you said, quote:

PLD's gain the same HP as war per armor stat yet the DR increases as DEFENSE stat increases.

Physical/Magic Defense have no bearing on DR abilities. They do not modify these stats in any way (except Foresight).

As for healing, in most cases healers are overhealing both tanks to begin with. You can not ignore the healing buff and say it's insignificant, because if you take it away then PLD instantly becomes the dominant tank, as they are no longer equal (on paper or in practice). You are basically saying that this would be insignificant and negligible. Is it? Is it really?

Every post you make is weakening any credibility you started out with..

Here. I dug these out the abyss to give you a better idea, you probably wouldn't have found these on your own.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...PLD-comparison

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rst-impression

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...oment-of-Truth

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-are-expecting

[Uliq]

Physical/Magic Defense have no bearing on DR abilities. They do not modify these stats in any way (except Foresight).

I withdraw. I thought this backwards, in effect higher Defense would lower damage reduced due to taking less total damage.

[Orophin]

WAR and PLD are essentially equal, but there's some situations in which you may want to use a WAR over a PLD, and vice versa.

For T6 and T7 we use one of each as there's no point in having two of the same, especially for LB building.

In T8 we use a single WAR tank. More damage = we push phases faster and the fight ends faster. WAR also has great snap threat for those Dreadnaughts.

In T9 we use a single PLD tank. PLD has way more cooldowns than WAR which can be spread out, which is essential to surviving Ravensbeak/Blight and Bahamut's Claw.

The changes in 2.1 really closed the gap between the two, so it's not like there's a clear cut winner between the two in every piece of content anymore.

[Warrlordd]

If PLD>WAR or WAR>PLD you know none of the world first statics would never run WAR/PLD. They've done the math and they have good reasons to run WAR/PLD as your tanking duo.

And so should you.

Enough said.

[Orangekun]

The only beef there ought to be between WAR and PLD tanks is that the devs put a lot of thought into designing warriors, and paladins are a snoozefest with nothing going for it except for way more defensive cooldowns than any class should ever need.

Paladins gives Warriors Provoke and Flash. That's what the class is good for.

[TrivariumOri]

The only beef there ought to be between WAR and PLD tanks is that the devs put a lot of thought into designing warriors, and paladins are a snoozefest with nothing going for it except for way more defensive cooldowns than any class should ever need.

Paladins gives Warriors Provoke and Flash. That's what the class is good for.

Paladin has a higher dps output than warrior out of a defensive stance, it may be a snoozefest in its simplest form a 3 move combo but jumping in to new content and figuring out how to effectively distribute your cooldowns is not boring. Ultimately classes are what you make them, some warriors solely use their BB combo tell me how much different is that to a Paladins snoozefest?

[MythToken]

Warriors are more fun to play the real advantage #ThanksObama

[Warrlordd]

The only beef there ought to be between WAR and PLD tanks is that the devs put a lot of thought into designing warriors, and paladins are a snoozefest with nothing going for it except for way more defensive cooldowns than any class should ever need.

Paladins gives Warriors Provoke and Flash. That's what the class is good for.

DAT convalescence though.

[Enyeto]

Wrong..

PLD = 3600 + 2000 = 5600 HP (93% HP)
WAR = 4500 + 2400 = 6900 HP (92% HP)

Same effective HP

I see your point. Didn't think about the HP return side.

The problem with eHP is that it hardly works out in practical scenarios.
Just coming from an Eve Online perspective.

From a novice Tank and experienced Healer perspective..

Again someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

eHP is very important in a game where there is no foreseeable diminishing return on stats. If I can still get 1% avoidance from 10 points of dex (example) I would get that over 150hp. Other games have a 80% mitigation cap that no matter how much defensive stats you have, you will never take less than 20% of the damage. While HP is important to have high, eHP modifiers are very important as taking less damage or avoiding damage > higher hp.

[AIex]

However, my question is, Am I wrong for telling the PLD to let me be MT instead and he be OT considering the HP difference and hate difference between us both? What's the grand difference between the two tanking classes?

Back to the point
Question 1 - Yes and no. Yes you are wrong for telling him to be OT because of the HP difference. No you are not wrong for telling him to OT because if he losing hate in a dungeon with a TOTAL of 3 mobs, he is a trash tank.

Question 2 - There isn't a GRAND difference. Both tanks roughly take the same amount of damage (via eHP) and both tanks can put out similar DPS numbers overall (WAR can burst harder, PLD can output consistently)