Limit Break in PvP

[Divinemight]

Of course it's my point of view.

Here is the trick. Out of all jobs, there are two jobs will not get one shot by lvl1 Brave..... Warriors and Paladins, because they would use defensive CDs. The lesson to be learn is, dont trigger happy your instant casts. Limit break reading is about 3s to 4s, you have enough time to isntant cast stoneskin on yourself to filter that damage.

[Shake0615]

Here is the trick. Out of all jobs, there are two jobs will not get one shot by lvl1 Brave..... Warriors and Paladins, because they would use defensive CDs. The listen to be learn is, dont trigger happy your instant casts. Limit break reading is about 3s to 4s, you have enough time to isntant cast stoneskin on yourself to filter that damage.

Realistically, that's not possible. In order to do that I would need to burn Swiftcast (1.5 sec hidden CD) then use Stoneskin (1 sec before it's applied to target) then factor in lag and a reasonable human reaction time and you're well over the cast time of a level 1 Limit Break which is 2 seconds. And you can only read your enemy's cast bar IF your current target is the melee who is about to attack you, which doesn't happen when you're a healer because you aren't typically targeting enemies. The only thing you can rely on is the thunder crack which is played after casting has begun and is itself slightly delayed.

And by the way, even with Stoneskin up and i80 synced WHM or SCH simply doesn't have enough HP to absorb that much damage in the first place. And no one would even bother wasting a melee LB on a tank.

[Koltik]

And by the way, even with Stoneskin up and i80 synced WHM or SCH simply doesn't have enough HP to absorb that much damage in the first place. And no one would even bother wasting a melee LB on a tank.

A properly geared and spec'd SCH or WHM has enough HP even without SS to survive it. I've seen it multiple times.

[Shake0615]

A properly geared and spec'd SCH or WHM has enough HP even without SS to survive it. I've seen it multiple times.

Attunement is the only thing that can make it survivable, not base HP. And even then, those who are able to pull of an Attunement on time are either lucky or already had it up when they were attacked by other players. Braver is on average 5k damage and synced healers won't get more than 4500 HP tops.

[Koltik]

Attunement is the only thing that can make it survivable, not base HP.

After reviewing my videos yes you are correct, but if a healer has any type of shield or the Warrior HP boost buff up then they can/will survive.

[Shake0615]

After reviewing my videos yes you are correct, but if a healer has any type of shield or the Warrior HP boost buff up then they can/will survive.

Even with the extra 10% granted by SS I'm not convinced it's enough to survive. Either way, I'm not necessarily committing to the notion that a healer MUST be able to survive an LB anyway.

Anecdotally speaking, Limit Breaks are the single greatest factor that turns the tide in the majority of the skirmishes that I heal through; not my ability to heal, my teammates' ability to manage their defense as well as offense, or the other team's ability to lock me down. In the end, if I'm having a great day and healing like a boss but a terribad dragoon has the LB up then they will win that skirmish. But that in and of itself isn't the issue. It's also the fact that this happens at the very least twice in every single match, sometimes more. To me, that's just too many times and it discourages me from healing because it's just no fun getting dropped fight after fight after fight at the hands of a one-hit Rekt button.

Bottom Line:
I guess I'm the only one who feels this way. It currently feels game-breaking to me so I suppose I just won't heal anymore. Thank you all for sharing your thoughts.

[Koltik]

Even with the extra 10% granted by SS I'm not convinced it's enough to survive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgzZ...tmOfkNnVtK1xqA

In that video you will see a SCH with 4453 HP. He adlo's for 700 non-crit, which in itself would bump him up to over the LB threshold. If he crits, it's even more of a bump up. I have seen him survive LB's time and time again - actually, I have seen him die to 1 LB and survive at least 5 in my time playing with him. It's more than possible to survive the LB hit and then lustrate yourself back up.

In the video you'll also see a warrior put up his HP buff, which bumps the SCH up to 5566 HP; way more than enough HP to survive an LB.

A WHM with the same HP would have an 18% SS, which would bump him up to 5254 HP - again, enough to survive an LB. Does he have much time to react after that LB? No, but he has enough time to cast 1 critical spell and survive.

[Ayerro]

You can survive at full HP without Attunement if you 1) have the right food 2) are VIT spec'd and 3) have a tank in PT for the VIT buff.

Sounds very specific, but it's really not. Food, I'd assume people are willing to invest if they're serious. Aaand you can get a few VIT accessories. `-`
I have about 5.4k on my healer.

[Gor]

You can survive at full HP without Attunement if you 1) have the right food 2) are VIT spec'd and 3) have a tank in PT for the VIT buff.

Sounds very specific, but it's really not. Food, I'd assume people are willing to invest if they're serious. Aaand you can get a few VIT accessories. `-`
I have about 5.4k on my healer.

Same. I have 5.3k as a scholar. i lol everytime a drg wastes their lb on me and i just lustrate back up. not gonna lie ... i kinda get cocky and hope for an lb.

[CeveArthu]

You can survive at full HP without Attunement if you 1) have the right food 2) are VIT spec'd and 3) have a tank in PT for the VIT buff.

Sounds very specific, but it's really not. Food, I'd assume people are willing to invest if they're serious. Aaand you can get a few VIT accessories. `-`
I have about 5.4k on my healer.

5.4k healer checking in o7