Wedding service in FFXIV

[Ichi]

Even if SE refuses to allow same sex marriages, that won't necessarily stop players from doing it. When it's possible to sign items players will hold their own unofficial wedding for same sexes and trade each other signed rings. That's how it was done in FFXI (I knew a lot of gays, bis, and lesbians).

You mean to tell me there were gays and lesbians in xi who didn't get all self-righteous and preachy in a video-game and despite it they still enjoyed the game and found ways to do things their own way in the massive and beautiful world? Preposterous?!

[Dreamer]

For the record, AIDS and HIV is more prevelant in the heterosexual society now thank you very much.

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Who says what's normal in this society? We kill each other now a days for the fun of things, but it's a HORRIBLE disgusting crime for same sex marriage? Man, now I KNOW the world is going to end in 2012

That's simply not true at all.

However, I do agree with the rest of your post. It's kind of sad that in this day and age we're STILL dealing with this kind of thing. People should just let people be.

Now, back on topic...

I really hope they implement this. I've seen some really neat implementations of this in other games (usually Korean titles, like Perfect World). Can I have a cuddle emote, please? ^-^

[AeraLucis]

That's simply not true at all.

To say 'that's simply not true' and follow it with a statistic only for the United States isn't very convincing. There's about 5 times the number of people with HIV/AIDS in South Africa than in all the United States.

[Pulseczar]

To say 'that's simply not true' and follow it with a statistic only for the United States isn't very convincing. There's about 5 times the number of people with HIV/AIDS in South Africa than in all the United States.

I was about to say; but then again, I can't believe HIV/AIDS was even brought into the topic.

[Roaran]

MMMMM Rogadyn & Highlander Couples..... If this allows Rogadyn to wear white wedding dresses, then I am for it.

[Andrien]

Err.. I swear some people playing this game for the wrong reasons. But, if they ever add a wedding service I hope they add an option to divorce.

[Pulseczar]

Err.. I swear some people playing this game for the wrong reasons. But, if they ever add a wedding service I hope they add an option to divorce.

Some players just like to role-play their characters. I personally don't like to RP but have no problems with players that enjoy it.

[Nuinn]

That post about FOX News is hauntingly accurate. It's so much a possible scenario that it's scary

Anyway.... Inter-racial marriages, yes please. Who's to say that those can't work as companionships (meaning; no sex for whatever reason), for the people concerned about it being weird/non-realistic/impossible and pulling out the Lala-Roeg card >.>

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, tolerance, diversity and equality for all (gender, racial, sexual, religious etc.) is already here (in varying numbers) and we all are being forced, yes forced, by non aggressive means and campaigning to accept it as a norm. I said forced cause people always needed a nudge when it came to opening to 'new' ideas, to put it like that.
Stopping that would be just plain backwards and impossible. Our world (real life) is evolving and it's delusional thinking it can be kept as it is. Different places move at different speeds of course but it's 'moving'. The changes are imminent and that's that. So, I'd say, the faster you adapt - the faster the rest of your life you'll have to worry and obsess over things that really don't influence or threaten you as much as you like to think they do.

Even though SE is Japanese, and even though Japanese society might be a bit more closed about these issues than the western one, they too will have to open up to this topic eventually. We might not see it in XIV, but eventually it'll happen. One thing to remember is that people are becoming more verbal and more ready to act towards securing their rights to diversity.

I think most people never really gave it a serious, a really serious thought how certain things really affect them and their lives - but rather act upon the preset attitude that they have, that's been planted into them by others and not really themselves. Sometimes it's easier not thinking with your own head and doing by default what seems to be the appropriate thing in the eyes of others.


If all of this scared you just remember it's normal to resist, and it's inevitable to surrender Kidding, kidding! I just wanted to say enjoy life and it's diversity

[Chezen]

Anyhow, there are a lot of points in your post, a lot. This is not a place to discuss homosexuality, or how the family values of the world have come to a turd these days. Not really saying "you shouldn't have posted that!", it's just that there's no point in arguing since the thread would then most likely be closed and burned to the ground.

I more than agree with you. But you can't really just say, "I'm against this." for reasons Eugenics and replies already made clear. As I said when I started, this is a really complicated issue, which is why no one wants to tackle it. I tried the best I could to stay to the topic. Trust me, I could have gone further.

Correct. SE has no obligation to actually give us same-sex marriage between our characters, but if we are really forgetting our differences ,then what do you care if a male character has a marriage with another male character? I see no way in how it could affect you.

I do care, but to state why would further go into those complicated topics. For the purposes of SE, my official stance is LS can do what they wish, but official marriage by SE should just be avoided, which I expressed at the end of my post.

Nobody is debating this. But this doesn't really translate to the world in FFXIV. It's just an example, but most of the "problems" that same-sex marriage has on the real world actually don't affect the in-game world. Death of the human race? No reproduction in FFIXV. My religion? Heck, we have 12 gods in XIV. Kids with two dads in preschool? No kids in XIV.

Except that this is about agenda. I don't wish to outright point at the previous posts, but they are here in the thread. I don't really want to get into this one too far, because it's a very touchy area, that I know.

There, I just abbreviated your wall of text for everyone so they can know to just move on and not bother with the small minded post.

P.S. getting 'married' isnt special treatment. Its something everyone should have a right to do.

If I wanted a tldr, I would have made one. Please, if people don't want to bother to read my post, then there is little point in replying to it. And, if you did read it, you would see that it touched on a great many things. In otherwords, I think about a great deal. Which makes "small-minded" a bit out the window.

As for marriage, either you didn't read what I said, or didn't comprehend it. But as Kiazlu pointed out, really getting into that goes more into real-life society. Which is understandably a bit hard to separate in this issue.

@ Chezen, see what I mean by level-headed? You posted something which as you stated, is bound to get you crucified, but you did it an a respectful way, voicing your opinion without instigating or antagonizing anyone.
Thank you for that.

Thank you as well. I'm not out to hurt anyone, and I try the best I can to be fair, but I'm also strong in my convictions and beliefs. Not, however, without a lot of thought and reflection.

Japan's low crime rate...they also have the highest suicide rate in the world. All that pressure to behave a certain way is not necessarily a good thing.

This is very true, and I have thought about that as well. With all due respect to Japan... I think they go too far in the other direction, in which propriety overtakes individual expression too much. But America is on the polar opposite. Love, respect, stability, some individualism, but not so much you don't consider others around you, they are all needed. If you really think about what makes the earth tick, it's all about balances. Too much or too little of anything, things go wrong.

On homosexuality being aberrant...I'm a firm believer that is a genetic mutation...but that doesn't mean it's "wrong." We see this behavior throughout the animal kingdom, with dolphins, monkeys, dogs and many other high-functioning mammals. Yes, the status quo is to gravitate toward heterosexuality to propagate the species, but that doesn't mean the people that are born homosexual should be treated as less than equals because they're the minority.

I both agree and do not agree with this statement. Getting really clinical here... genetic mutation is rarely good, almost always it's a breakdown, not something better. It's not something you want to see in general. And getting into the animals... although we do have some similar genetic coding, some more than others, I really don't consider myself an animal... I consider myself a bit higher than that. While it's true some animals are capable of making some very intelligent choices, and even learning and passing down some traits that go beyond their instincts, it's still by far and large very different from humans. I expect humans to act with a higher level of thought than animals.

As for being treated as equals... I agree in the sense that no one should be looked down upon and treated differently simply because they are different. For homosexuals in particular, it's difficult because for many people, the first reaction is to be revolted, because it goes against their own hormones and genetics. That has to be hard, and it's no wonder a homosexual would feel shunned and unaccepted. At the same time, no one (this isn't American thought) has the right to cause disorder in a society that would negatively affect it. What I mean by that is, even if it wouldn't be a big deal in your world, if it pulls down society at large, it should be done without. This and more personal beliefs drive my thoughts on this matter, and quite a few others. We are all responsible to each other.

For the record, AIDS and HIV is more prevelant in the heterosexual society now thank you very much. This has nothing to do with gay marriage or any type of marriage to begin with. I DON'T have a psychological disorder, YES I'm attracted to other men, NO it has nothing to do with my family, and NO it certainly is not my hormones acting up.

Who says what's normal in this society? We kill each other now a days for the fun of things, but it's a HORRIBLE disgusting crime for same sex marriage? Man, now I KNOW the world is going to end in 2012

Whether or not it is now is irrelevant. It came to light first in gay communities (in America), for a few many years. I was here and alive when it started and saw the newscasts first hand, not to mention it's fairly well documented.

Psychology is certainly not an exact science. You have people in denial, people who don't really understand thier own feelings, people who do know but won't admit anything... etc, etc. It's very hard to pin down something that can't really be put into facts, only generalizations. That's why psychologists make so much.

And it is hormones. That's what makes you attracted to anything in the first place. A chemical reaction that stimulates the sexual organs, triggered by something or someone. And that is exactly why marriage goes far, far beyond who "stimulates" you. But again, big subject that goes beyond homosexuality or the game.

And actually... I hate killing people, even in fake. I'm sure you haven't read my other posts, but I'm not too happy about PvP. But even in my protests on that one, it had as much to do with how it affects society and the community as it did game mechanics reasons. I do understand the desire to compete against each other, and in this game, it's really KO, not kill. So I think that's a little different anyway. Hopefully no one here wants to actually kill someone.

As for normal, I refer to balance of genetics in this particular case. And society is a large part of my points. This isn't about individual expression.

[Kiote]

I'm not really sure why this conversation is taking place but I would like to point out a couple of things for the sake of my own sanity..

"Getting really clinical here... genetic mutation is rarely good, almost always it's a breakdown, not something better."

Evolution, as in the advancement of a species, is a series of genetic guess and checks that create mutations. They don't always work, but they always result in the species becoming something greater than it was.

"And getting into the animals... although we do have some similar genetic coding, some more than others, I really don't consider myself an animal... I consider myself a bit higher than that."

Most DNA is practically identical.. Apes are a single chromosome away but most animals still share the majority of their DNA. It is the foundation of life as an organic creature.

"Whether or not it is now is irrelevant. It came to light first in gay communities (in America), for a few many years. I was here and alive when it started and saw the newscasts first hand, not to mention it's fairly well documented."

Cancer started in straight people..