Who is gonna raid now with the iLvl 110 gear handed to people??

[Dwill]

I've read the thread, and it mostly just seems to be "elite" raiders being pissed that other people are catching up to them faster.

This idea of gear being "prestigious" is ludicrously outdated, like... 2006 outdated. Gear yourself, do the content you want to do, and enjoy yourself with your static. If you're BiS, utterly minmaxed, and cleared through SCoB and SSCoB, what's it matter what anyone else is doing?

And if you're not, you should be focused on that instead of "Teh cazuals takin' muh gearz!!"

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People are forgetting is that by the time 2.4 is released, many players will have moved on from the Hunts as they will have new iLvl content to zerg. When 2.5 (or expansion) is out, Hunts will be effectively dead content unless SE injects some sort of artificial life extension into them (ie, makes them essential in a future step for Zodiac weapons).

But it is being controlled. You don't have unlimited access to i110 gear. Unless there's some page on the vendor I didn't see, the weathered gear is still gated behind soldiery, and while there's a good portion of the playerbase who is decked out in full weathered (or close to it,) it's probably smaller than you'd think. You can't actually upgrade weathered gear unless you have weathered gear, and since it's 1.5-2 weeks per piece (not counting jewelry), not everyone is going to be spam gearing up every job to be decked out in full i110 like people make it out to be.

I think they're offended they play content they don't enjoy to acquire gear which other people can achieve through content they may actually enjoy.

All the points the above quotes are mentioning have been answered multiple times, yet it just looks like people aren't reading anything and just brings them back for whatever reason.

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but so far I've not seen the "full i110 gear with zero HA" crowd that people seem to be under the impression are running around everywhere. I think the most I've seen on someone was five pieces.

Oh but I have seen a few. See how awesome anecdotal evidence is to prove your point!

My 2 cents.
How does someone else getting sands -easier or not- cheapen your own accomplishments? Did someone tell you "NUB G0TZ D4T FUM #UN7Z Y34#!?" You're you and not player a, b, or c. If you're playing to get an self-esteem boost from owning rare or top tier loot then, you need to look inside because there's a quality better than that in you.
Not everyone is a raider, not everyone wants to, or for that matter can, put the time, resources, and effort into clearing that content. The people who will hunt to get their il110 gear get their satisfaction a different way from you. They aren't making you get your gear the same way or telling you to be a casual or non-raider.
Bickering over this seems a lot like gay marriage, it's not going to effect you personally so why are you so against someone getting their own version of happiness?
"Look, the only time you need to worry about what's in your neighbor's bowl is if you're checking to make sure they have enough." -Louis C.K.

Actually that's the thing, this whole issue with sands and The Hunt affects the balance of the game which in turn affects everyone therefore your comparison is null and void.

[Eissels]

All the points the above quotes are mentioning have been answered multiple times, yet it just looks like people aren't reading anything and just brings them back for whatever reason.



Oh but I have seen a few. See how awesome anecdotal evidence is to prove your point!

If you're saying none of us are on the point, then there's nothing to argue. There's nothing wrong with people getting gear, it's not coming in too quickly, end of discussion.

Oh, sorry, here, you can have a star for your troubles. It says "Super special princess," and it's ilvl 111. There you go!

[Dwill]

If you're saying none of us are on the point, then there's nothing to argue. There's nothing wrong with people getting gear, it's not coming in too quickly, end of discussion.

Oh, sorry, here, you can have a star for your troubles. It says "Super special princess," and it's ilvl 111. There you go!

If you would have read this thread ever so slightly, you'd know I haven't done SCoB at all, heck I haven't even done T5. So you can't really label me as someone that is trying to keep:

"Teh cazuals takin' muh gearz!!"

But you haven't really read this thread at all, that much is obvious. The only thing your doing is just rehashing the same points that are based on a false premise and that you have the preconceived notion that everybody who differs than you just are the "Evil raiders who want to protect their loots".

[cryptic_angel]

If you're saying none of us are on the point, then there's nothing to argue. There's nothing wrong with people getting gear, it's not coming in too quickly, end of discussion.


Oh, sorry, here, you can have a star for your troubles. It says "Super special princess," and it's ilvl 111. There you go!

Look, glad you love the gear hand outs. I am sure it works out very well for you. However, there is nothing wrong with someone wanting a fair and equitable reward for their efforts. You can minimize or trivialize that point all you like, but people want to stand out for their accomplishments. That's why you can't drive a block without seeing some bumper sticker about a kid being on the honor roll.

I think people really inflate the value of the rewards in coil. There is very good chance I will not get my HA weapon before 2.4, and I have had very bad luck in coil this content cycle.

What do I have to show for my effort?

A handful of side story cut scenes? I mean really, there is like three lore heavy cut scenes and only one of them is substantial (t9 kill CS). The coil story seems way more like a side quest than anything related to the main story. Also, story is not much of a reward when raids get nerfed. I am not seeing some special secret cut scenes no one else will see. Many people will get to see that story too once the fights are nerfed and/or trivialized.

The gratification of overcoming a challenge is fantastic, but it only last as long as there is a challenge. Once turn 9 is down, no group has fun from the "challenge" of farming. There is no satisfaction left after clearing the entire raid.

The high allagan weapon is a nice reward too that some raiders will never see. I am going on month two of T9 clears and I still don't have my blm staff. The only gear reward should not just be a weapon that is only 5 ilvls higher that you only have a one out of eight chance of getting once a week.

As for the notion that HA gear is still vanity gear. This would be a valid point if HA gear was amazing looking and the solidery gear looked like questing gear. Take GW2 for example. All the end game dungeon gear looks 1000x better than most any other gear you can get. HA gear does not have a very distinguished look at all. The gear literally only looks decent at best as an entire set, and without the entire set, whats the point of having it for vanity? So you can look like a clown? I have about three months of turn 8 kills and I still have not seen one caster body drop. How am I supposed to vanity HA gear when all I have are the boots, mask, and legs? That's my vanity reward for beating a raid? To look like a HA hobo mixed with upgraded solidery gear? Thanks SE!

The rewards are poor for raiding in this game. No matter how people want to spin it.

[A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider]

A handful of side story cut scenes? I mean really, there is like three lore heavy cut scenes and only one of them is substantial (t9 kill CS). The coil story seems way more like a side quest than anything related to the main story.

Well… that's because it IS, sadly. When the whole 'zOMGZ ASCIANZ" ordeal came about, the game decided to focus more on that/them than the whole, oh I don't know, giant dragon god could wipe out everything in one blow. 2.3 further solidified that fact. Which is pretty sad, because I have a feeling we'll never get to actually face Bahamut, rather, we'll have to face an Omega Weapon-absorbed Bahamut.

As to who is going to raid, most likely the people who haven't cleared or even done SCoB by the time TCoB comes out. Considering SCoB has the pre-req that BCoB be cleared in order to even START that quest line. Personally, I know I'm going to raid SCoB seeing as I just got through T5 two days ago. Loot rewards or not, I'm interested in the storyline and I'd like to "experience" it myself rather than sit through 30 minutes of mrhappy going on and on about everything that has nothing to do with the game itself. But the HA Pants of Fending are just too smexy to pass up. +41 acc? kthx

[Eissels]

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Actually, I haven't touched the hunt system. I think it's bloated, creates too much conflict, and isn't worth the drama.

But, you know what you get to show for your effort? High Allagan gear. In a lot of cases, it's BiS over Soldiery gear, and, beyond that, there's also the prestige title from SSCoB, if what you're focused on is gratification and something to show for your work.

Now, I do believe that SSCoB should've given gear, but that's another discussion entirely. Frankly, though, the reason I'm so derisive over this is that it doesn't matter. I've been the heroic raider. I've been the top tier, mostly thunderforged, BiS top of the charts person that likes to think people will ogle over them in main cities.

But it's irrelevant. New content will come out in a few months. Your "prestige" means nothing to the majority of the playerbase. It gives you literal nothing but your own personal overinflated sense of self worth that, frankly, shouldn't be coming from a video game.

Do what you do, be proud of your own accomplishments for their own sake, and forget what everyone around you looks like. You'll be much happier, especially in a game like this.

[Sapphic]

But, you know what you get to show for your effort? High Allagan gear. In a lot of cases, it's BiS over Soldiery gear, and, beyond that, there's also the prestige title from SSCoB, if what you're focused on is gratification and something to show for your work.

But BiS with HA and Soldiery gear is calculated taking into account accuracy caps for turn 9. Which is upto 515. A figure which is not needed outside of t9. Thus obtaining said BiS means you miss out on a lot of additional, more beneficial stats due to stacking excessive accuracy. Also the difference in BiS 110 and non Bis 110 is minimal at best.

Point is, you do not in any way need BiS 110 for anything, unless your doing coil then you need the required accuracy.

In regards to your off topic Gear wasn't added this time round to savage coil because it was implemetned as a test to see if it is desirable and even completeable by the community, thus no additional resources implemented to create a new set of gear for it. Yoshi did state if it turns out worthwhile to continue adding that type of content that they will add additional gear to further versions.

Otherwise if it's a failure, no additional resources where wasted.

[Brainberry]

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Most SOL pieces for bards have accuracy and SS so theres definitely a significant difference gearing up with HA BiS pieces.

Then theres also the +2weapon damage(16-18 dex) difference from HA weap to the next best thing which is huge.

[Tsun-Tsun]

Actually that's the thing, this whole issue with sands and The Hunt affects the balance of the game which in turn affects everyone therefore your comparison is null and void.

This isn't a PvP based game, the gear in question isn't PvP based, nor does it magically make non-raiders do 9999 damage.
People who quit your statics/DF to hunt vs raiding aren't people you hardcore raiders want in your party to begin with since raids requires more dedication than hunting.
Non-raiders aren't going to become hardcore static group raiders because they have il110 gear now, but some will try to raid increasing the community.
I don't see how it's magically going to break the balance of a mainly PvE game where the best looking/in slot gear is still dropped in a raid.
I won't deny that hunts are poorly implemented but the idea behind it is still valid. Just the idea of "breaking balance" is, no offense, laughable.

[Grizzlebeard]

Non-raiders aren't going to become hardcore static group raiders because they have il110 gear now, but some will try to raid increasing the community.

Furthermore, in a game where all raiding is instanced competition for targets is a non-issue.

The crux of the matter is simply the raiding crowd are feeling upset their snowflake status is diminished.