Wherefore art thou Circle of Scorn

[Immut]

monk trying to teach carrier tanks how to play. Keep digging

Well when people like you are the tanks, someone has to.

[Kuwagami]

Well when people like you are the tanks, someone has to.

you don't even know your stuff. Being off-GCD with 250 potency in AoE with a short CD AND being free makes is one of the best skills you can have. Learn a bit before trying to teach

[Immut]

you don't even know your stuff. Being off-GCD with 250 potency in AoE with a short CD AND being free makes is one of the best skills you can have. Learn a bit before trying to teach

You wouldn't miss it if it were gone. 250 potency means nothing when your class is already the worst dps in the entire game. GLA's role is not to do damage, they do not need a damage move, and they certainly don't need one nobody including themselves can actually capitalize on.

And nobody's trying to TEACH anything, so get over yourself. This is about the design of the class. This is an ability that simply doesn't fit and doesn't make sense. It exists in a vacuum.

[MythToken]

Paladins in Sword oath actually out DPS warriors without defiance.

You also seem to have a complete lack of understanding the importance of casting an ability in the off gcd window.

Example you use 2 300potency skills and no off gcd = 600 potency in 3 seconds

I use 2 300 potency skills and circle of scorn (250) = 850 potency in 3 seconds

just rounding for ease of explanation please don't be a jerk about the accuracy of those numbers.


Thats pretty huge, when your job is doing Threat and since Threat = Potency x multiplier Potency is pretty important.

Id like to see a paladin tank the tail of Levi ex without Circle of scorn.

[SeraviEdalborez]

You wouldn't miss it if it were gone. 250 potency means nothing when your class is already the worst dps in the entire game. GLA's role is not to do damage, they do not need a damage move, and they certainly don't need one nobody including themselves can actually capitalize on.

You're an idiot.

"Worst DPS" (which it isn't) doesn't mean you have to strive to do lowest DPS possible. It's the tank's job to take all the damage, should I stand in every AoE as well?

WAR MT + PLD OT does more damage than the opposite. And neither is a slouch in either role.

[RhazeCain]

CoS can be buffed by Fight or Flight, unlike Flash. 250 * 1.3 = 325 potency. That's basically 1 big hit from a DPS class. A hit which you will now be ahead in the agro race, and a hit closer to killing the enemy.

One person commented that they never used CoS and still kept agro... OK, your DPS might not be that good. Or they might be good at watching agro bars and holding off DPS to avoid taking agro. Why would you ignore a completely free ability and decrease your agro cushion?

Or put another way, if your DPS had a completely free ability on their bar that did 250 potency, would you be OK with them not using it? .. I hope not.

PLD get some of the worst offensive abilities and CoS is the rare exception. Wouldn't be a bad idea to add another vaguely similar ability.

[Immut]

I use 2 300 potency skills and circle of scorn (250) = 850 potency in 3 seconds

First off, you don't have two 300 potency skills in a row to use.

Second, circle of scorn is only 100 potency when used immediately. It takes 15 seconds for it to reach 250 potency. It's garbage for taking or maintaining hate.

You want the math?

Fast blade + Savage Blade + Rage of Halone = 150 + 600 + 1300 = 2050 potency in 5 seconds. 2350 if you use spirits within. Add circle of scorn in and let it tick twice, you have 2510. Whoop dee god damn doo, you almost added as much enmity as your autoattack.

CoS can be buffed by Fight or Flight, unlike Flash.

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Or put another way, if your DPS had a completely free ability on their bar that did 250 potency, would you be OK with them not using it? .. I hope not.

Flash is affected by Fight or Flight. And I'm not saying "don't use it" i'm saying the devs should get rid of it entirely and replace it with something to make paladin less boring and terrible to play.

[MythToken]

so when i said don't be a jerk about the math, you took that as I should be a jerk about the math.

250 extra potency with no time loss or resource cost is huge. Sorry you can't see it.

Small numbers are pretty big in this game.

Its even more potent when used on a fight in which you have to move away to another target ie Levi EX OT and picking up adds, while getting initial threat on the tail.


Im also not really understanding why you are hating on this skill. It's not like you are replacing it with something. Its more damage and threat . fact .

[RaineAmorie]

Doing damage increases enmity, not as much as RoH, but any damage is still helping you maintain hate.

Besides, why wouldn't you want to contribute to the total damage of your group? That's what makes the job fun, otherwise you may as well be spamming Riot combos and Flash.

[Giantbane]

You wouldn't miss it if it were gone. 250 potency means nothing when your class is already the worst dps in the entire game. GLA's role is not to do damage, they do not need a damage move, and they certainly don't need one nobody including themselves can actually capitalize on.

And nobody's trying to TEACH anything, so get over yourself. This is about the design of the class. This is an ability that simply doesn't fit and doesn't make sense. It exists in a vacuum.

Actually, it's extremely potent. I think it represents something like a 10% boost in your DPS as a GLD if you use it on cooldown. And that's not *nothing*.

Even though a GLD can hope to do maybe 50% of a normal DPS classes damage, that means Scorn represents a 5% damage increase to one of your normal DPS classes in a raid/party. You don't think a normal DPS class would get excited over a 5% DPS increase by simply hitting a button everyone once in a while?

It's a good ability whether your choose to use it or not.

Flash is affected by Fight or Flight. And I'm not saying "don't use it" i'm saying the devs should get rid of it entirely and replace it with something to make paladin less boring and terrible to play.

Is it? I've never seen any testing that shows Flash to gain anything from Fight or Flight.