Wherefore art thou Circle of Scorn

[Immut]

You have to elaborate on that. how is it bad game design?

Because it's thoughtless. It's not engaging. It's only barely interactive. There's no opportunity cost to it. It's not a GAME. If people compare Firestarter to a slot machine, Circle of Scorn is more like playing a change machine.

The troll is starting to get full guys, time to stop force feeding it.

Yes, pointing out one specific flaw in what may be the overall worst designed class in the game alongside two other threads talking about how to make PLD better is trolling. What the hell is wrong with this forum?

[Hybris-Maenad]

The troll is starting to get full guys, time to stop force feeding it.

I dunno... I think he may just actually have so little grasp on the class that he's not even trolling. His biggest complaint is that it doesn't synergize with any other skill..

Seems like he's stuck in some kind of mentality of another game and not taking in this one as a whole.

You'd be amazed at what you can find on Exodus.

[Hybris-Maenad]

Because it's thoughtless. It's not engaging. It's only barely interactive. There's no opportunity cost to it. It's not a GAME. If people compare Firestarter to a slot machine, Circle of Scorn is more like playing a change machine.

It's a balanced move. You don't have invigorate hence it costs no TP. Flash and Stoneskin can cost a good amount of mp, lt doesn't take any. A guy fighting with a sword and a shield will generally have no big aoe move, it gives us one at a half decent total potency.

The move is there for balance. Mediocre balance, but it's better than not having it.

[monkeytheman]

I dunno... I think he may just actually have so little grasp on the class that he's not even trolling. His biggest complaint is that it doesn't synergize with any other skill..

Seems like he's stuck in some kind of mentality of another game and not taking in this one as a whole.

You'd be amazed at what you can find on Exodus.

Fair point....i just refuse to believe someone is THIS misinformed.

[Tyrial]

If it's so good why am I able to completely ignore it without any tangible effect?


Good joke mate. Yeah that extra half a flash every 25 seconds is sure noticeable.

You ignoring it just means you're a horrible PLD. As for how noticeable it is, you should actually learn how to properly weave skills into your normal rotation. To maintain maximum DPS and threat you should be weaving CoS and Spirits into your Halone combo. Pop FoF + Bloodbath before CoS on a large trash pull and you get a pretty decent amount of healing AND aggro off each damage tick.

As for PLD having the worst DPS...well that's just laughable. I'm sure my PLD could out damage your fail MNK on a single target any day. Go learn the class before you come spouting crap on the forums.

[Hybris-Maenad]

I'm done here until someone answers the question: Why is it a DOT? Because if you can't see why I'm asking it, you don't have the capacity to talk about class design.

Because it's a magic attack(animation-wise) that they decided they wanted to be a dot to generate tiny amounts of aggro on groups of enemies since Pally has no other aoe.

Why is Windbite a DOT?!?! Is it super windy? This is a game.

You need to explain what you would rather pally have game design-wise instead of CoS or you need to go take your pills dude.

[wicked-one]

So why does this ability even exist?

Main Reason - Off GCD

It´s not HUGE Damage, but it´s ... quite free damage...

and in some Fights, every dps counts, so why waste it...

[Kuwagami]

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You have no argument besides "I don't like it so it sucks". Which is hardly an argument to begin with.

Also, CoS is a DOT because reasons. If anything, I'd say it's because PLD have no other DoT, and it allows mobility (which is essential as a tank in many situations).

[Hybris-Maenad]

I said it before, but I'm going to repeat myself.

The big thing is that it's your only aoe attack. Try and go solo the cyclops Alex Map chest with it's 40 so adds and tell me this move is worthless. It also helps negate some of the aggro from regen.

[Alise]

The different in CoS and Flash is that CoS is instant hate, while Flash is not instant hate.
CoS is the only AoE instant hate generator available to Pld, most notable to use together with Flash to generate quick and stable hate. They are the skill that pairing together.

In comparison with skills list to use on the quick pull enmity:

Fast Blade = instant hate, 150 potency => (shield oath 2x) 300 enmity.
Rage of Halon = delay animation for 2 sec, 100 potency => (shield oath 2x, bonus 5x) 1000 enmity.

So you can see it there, if you care more about quick hate not the big number of hate, you start with Fast blade, if you care more about stable hate, you use RoH.

Same apply to this.

CoS = instant hate, 100 potency + dot => (shield oath) instant emity of 200. (compare to Fast blade which is 300 enmity to single target, this 200 enmity to all targets is good deal right? Not even need to mention DoT part will contribute to total of 500 enmity in the end to whole AoE bunch.)
Flash = Delay animation for 2 sec, 500 enmity.

In the quick pull situation, you want to make a quick hate first, before going for the stable hate. So you start off with CoS -> Flash. This way you generate totally of 700 enmity to the whole group within 2 sec time. Compare to if you use CoS alone, you would get 200 enmity instantly. if you use Flash alone, you would get 500 enmity but delay at start. Hardcore players hate to wait, in the tight dps situation such as savage coil or in order to making best time in SR, they can not wait.

To explain why CoS is DoT. It is because that the skill will become too much OP if it give you 250 potency attack and 500 enmity instantly. It is already good as it is.

Here, we only talk about hate, we not even go into dps part yet. If we go into dps part, it will be like what everybody were saying, it is free extra dps, and everybody in the whole party should contribute in.