More Raid content please!

[SDaemon]

It can't make me something I already am.

However, I don't doubt that you're correct in saying that this won't get SE to get out of being wrong.

Cute, you are horribly wrong when it comes to this, but your response was cute.

OP used a widely accepted synonym for multi group content in other MMOs, especially in the ones this game heavily borrows from, almost copied directly if you will. He then clarified on the different tiers of content depending on how many people are participating and their composition: solo, group and raid (multi group). Now since the term light means something isn't quite as heavy or full, a Full Party can be safely considered as single full group, just the one group. Then a couple of people who always take every bit of criticism personally decided this was a direct attack on the integrity of the game with direct critical accusations that the game doesn't have a lot of multi group content, which it doesn't by the way, and instantly dismissed everything he said especially knowing full well what he meant by using the term raid.

So yes, it is the same thing. If the game defines Coil as a raid therefore it must be one and must be called so by everyone, so by the same logic he should abide to calling it Second Coil because the game defines it as so, nowhere in the game does it state they are Turn 6 to 9, only the game's definition matters. It's simple really, wouldn't want people thinking anyone is a hypocrite or an apologist.

No it is not a synonym. If it were then EVERY SINGLE MMO would define raids the same way and would use "multi group content" in place of it as well. In this instance in XIV SE defines Coil as a raid, therefore it is a raid. In this instance SCoB t1-4 are also called by the XIV community t6-9 while realizing that the instance is called SCoB t1-4. You are seriously embarrassing yourself here.

[Roris]

Cute, you are horribly wrong when it comes to this, but your response was cute.

No it is not a synonym. If it were then EVERY SINGLE MMO would define raids the same way and would use "multi group content" in place of it as well. You are seriously embarrassing yourself here.

So it's not a synonym because you and only you say so, gotcha! This just makes me even more glad we're on the same server.

[Ransu]

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

Its their game, they can use whatever term they want.

This is the only mmo game that considers a raid = full party.

No it isn't.....There are a ton of MMO's with 8 man raids. In fact smaller raid groups are becoming extremely common. Why? Because most people actually dislike large raid groups.

[Vahlnir]

When did I say that the numbers have to be consistent across all games?

Never, but you have your own set of standards that are 100% correct...but only to you. If you're looking for more multi-group content, I hope SE implements more as well. As to the whole raid not being a raid thing, THAT is where you fail miserably in gaining any support.

[SDaemon]

So it's not a synonym because you and only you say so, gotcha! This just makes me even more glad we're on the same server.

Its not a synonym because its not a synonym. You really are embarrassing yourself now.

As for "no definite meaning of the word" ... rubbish. People have found MMO meanings for raid. And they were all, in one way or another, describing what I've been saying the whole time : multi-group events. Events that are too big for a single group to handle. Events that take more people when initially released than single-group content.

Now you're saying that all that doesn't matter because "there is no definite meaning of the word"? Nice way of saying we're both right when we contradict one another.

People have found MMO meanings for raids that coincidentally have no common ground in incorporating your "multi-group events" phrase or even paraphrasing it.

[Bizniztyme]

I wouldn't argue with two people with no common sense and can't look past their narrow mind guys. It's pointless, their brains can only hold so much.

[Gamma621]

So it's not a synonym because you and only you say so, gotcha! This just makes me even more glad we're on the same server.

But it IS a synonym just because you say so? Again having nothing to back up your statement. Brilliant.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

People have found MMO meanings for raids that coincidentally have no common ground in incorporating your "multi-group events" phrase or even paraphrasing it.

Lets see here.

" raid is a type of mission in a video game in which either a very large number of people (larger than the normal team size set by the game), or a small number of people with exceptional skill, attempt to defeat a boss monster of a higher magnitude of difficulty than other monsters found within the game world. This type of objective is most common in MMORPGs, where the servers are designed to handle the number of users. In RTS games like StarCraft, the term is used differently; see Raid (military)." - Leaving in the edit someone made recently, presumably as a result of this thread, because it applies to old raids that are one group-able or soloable. This one points at being multi-party.

"A more substantial engagement involving a large organized group of players typically set in a dungeon and involving difficult bosses." Large group is not going to be your Full Party, it is going to be more. Multi-party again.

"raid

Often used with mmorpgs. It involves players banding together to succeed at a common goal- such as taking over territory, killing an opposing faction, or most commonly killing big scary internet monsters that drop coveted items.

It can be used as a noun or verb, noun referring a specific event, and in verbage, the act of embarking on that event.

A: We've scheduled a Black Temple raid tonight. You coming?
B: I can't raid, I gotta get laid!
A: No epix or dkp for you! "
No comment on size or number of players.

"Raid .
A raid is a large-scale attack on an area by a group of players."
Again, large scale. As in, more than one of the game's groups. Again meaning multi-party.

ONE of those definitions cited earlier in the thread made no mention of size, and the other THREE do, each pointing at a large scale, many peopled event.

Care to be wrong again?

[Dano]

this whole thread has gone to the pits, the main objective remains unheard lol what a pity.

[Kuwagami]

snip

stop embarrassing yourself. You provided one definition saying that there is no obligation for a raid to be for more than one group. Thus your whole argument about "it's the only definition" is void.
actually, I praise your honesty. You nullified your own argument by yourself... this is truly an act of bravery.


Now if you want to discuss about "it should be for more than one group for future raids", that's an other argument, and more people could agree with you.