More Raid content please!

[ispano]

In this game I was under the impression that single party group is 4 man consisting of 1 tank,1 healer, 2dps.

Then a 2 party group would be 8 man, 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4dps.....is that not a raid?

I consider CM, Castrum, Coil, CT, and trials are all raid content. Hell even Behemoth and Odin is raid. I think other MMOs have spoiled some players here and are constantly pushing their experiences in other games into this one making this thread into cancer. I take it as it is, and the smaller scale 8 man raid content is just fine. More 12, 16 and 24 man content isn't something i'm that willing to accept with open arms seeing as how much a cluster f*$K CT was and still is. Even Statics have trouble maintaining 8 man weekly coil runs, what more for large scale pro raids.

Late reply, I know.

You'd be wrong then. 4 people is a light party, not a full party. Every single MMO i've played that had what was considered "raid" content, said content was multiple groups. Except, this one of course. More than one group, where the interface for said groups was different than just a standard party, like the Alliance interface we have here. So, I will sit with the OP, what we have, outside of CT, are not Raids. You can argue all you want, disagree all you want, but the precedence has already been made.

Some people have questioned why another company can "decide" what a raid is but SE cannot. Others have said words change through usage and such. Let's go down that road. Raid, prior to MMOs and such, didn't really apply in the sense we use it today. It mean exactly what was laid out in a dictionary. When MMOs first started coming out, and content for groups larger than a standard party/group came out, there was likely a need to classify said content differently from standard content. So one or multiple companies or perhaps player groups, called them "raids". And this stuck, people have called them raids in pretty much every MMO since, unless they were new to the genre.

So then you have games like SWTOR, who called them operations. Which is funny, because everyone I knew that played SWTOR, and wasn't new to MMOs, called them raids anyways. But SWTOR calling them operations is actually ok. They didn't take the term raid, which has a common meaning for MMO players and try to use it to describe something that goes against said meaning. Which is what people are defending SE for doing here.

So, no, i'm sorry, Coil is not a Raid. People might think this is beating a dead horse, but I've played MMOs far too long to just sit by while people bash the OP for posting correct information.

[Roris]

The game doesn't have enough large scale content that involves more than one party, arguing terms won't make it magically appear or make existing content larger than it is. The OP is just requesting more of this type of large scale content, the game would currently benefit from both larger scale multi party content and smaller scale content. Content in general in an MMO is always good, especially larger scale content, they are Massively Multiplayer Online Games after all (can't wait to see this term argued too to avoid the issue once again).

That's all there is to it, are you satisfied? Can we finally discuss large scale content, larger than the average this game currently has? Feel free to discuss smaller scale content too, also feel free to disregard it with a simple "No it doesn't need it" and feel great about yourself, at least it's discussing the original intention of the topic.

[Dano]

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if his first post wasn't so blatantly dissing coil as a raid or one party content raid in general it would've gotten better responses. oh and that latest edit doesn't really help his case here.

[SDaemon]

I consider CM, Castrum, Coil, CT, and trials are all raid content. Hell even Behemoth and Odin is raid. I think other MMOs have spoiled some players here and are constantly pushing their experiences in other games into this one making this thread into cancer. I take it as it is, and the smaller scale 8 man raid content is just fine. More 12, 16 and 24 man content isn\\'t something i\\'m that willing to accept with open arms seeing as how much a cluster f* CT was and still is. Even Statics have trouble maintaining 8 man weekly coil runs, what more for large scale pro raids.

CT would have been less of a cluster-fest if we could have pre-made groups and done it from the get go. Any time you have large scale raids with random people trying to work towards a goal, it never runs as smoothly when compared to a static.

[Gamma621]

I just went back and repeated the definitions others found on the web and had posted previously in here.

"Very large", "large", "large scale" " " ...

The word means content too big for a single group to handle. Thus, multi-party content.

In this game, there are 8 man dungeons. 8 man raid is NOT larger than 8 man dungeons.

24 man raid is larger than 8 man dungeon though. 16 man raid would be, too.

Have you even finished middle school yet? Do you even know what words mean?

Large-scale is a RELATIVE term.
2 players is large-scale, in relation to 1 player.
8 players is large-scale, in relation to 4 players.
100 players is large scale, in relation to 24 players.

So since I think 24-man groups are not LARGE-SCALE enough to be considered raids, only groups with 100+ players can actually be considered a raid.

Do you see the fallacy in the underlined sentence? Because this is your argument.

[Tiggy]

Dear Forum Mods,

Can we please close this thread? It's becoming vitriolic. It's off topic. It's not helpful. It needs to die.

- Love Tiggy.

[SDaemon]

Dear Forum Mods,

Can we please close this thread? It's becoming vitriolic. It's off topic. It's not helpful. It needs to die.

- Love Tiggy.

While I agree the thread should just be closed now...you post this after 27 pages? O.o

[Tiggy]

While I agree the thread should just be closed now...you post this after 27 pages? O.o

It's better to acknowledge it eventually than never at all. Wouldn't you agree?

[Synestr]

It's better to acknowledge it eventually than never at all. Wouldn't you agree?

^ This

Recognition of the problem is the first step to recovery.


Syn

/closethread

[Ransu]

^ This

Recognition of the problem is the first step to recovery.


Syn

/closethread

The thread was quiet for 5 days. It was dead. Why did you bump it? Why!? *cries in a corner*