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    Standard group size - 4 (in Aion it's 6)
    Full group size - 8 (in Aion it's 24)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    WoW is not exactly like EQ, so its not right. EQ is not exactly like UO, so its not right.

    Is that what you think I'm thinking?

    As I said, words have meaning. Raid is one such word, and it means content designed for more than one group. What part of Coil was designed for more than one group, again?
    Words are also organic and change meaning over the years. They are not permanent and unchanging. you're entire words have meaning premise is flared flawed by failing to understand that basic concept of language.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change

    Similarly video games evolve and innovate over the years. This is clearly a case where that is happening. Rigidly sticking to an outdated idea won't suddenly win us over to your thinking. You're outdated ideas aren't working. You need to evolve with the world around you or be left behind wishing you could relive the "glory years." This thread isn't going anywhere.
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    I would love more raid content like CT
    I'm from Aion originally and I loved the large fort raids (early on in the game). Hated the lag! But that was when I had an average computer/graphics card and servers were I think in Seattle?!

    My apologies though - I'm from a JP server and our ping and success rate of CT via the DF is much better than the NA servers so maybe this won't be such a good idea in the long run for everyone? I'd hate for something to turn out really good in the JP servers but it's not accessible for everyone to enjoy
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    Guys, we already addressed "what the developer says" with the potato bit a few pages back. Just because the developer calls it something, does not make it so.

    CT is the only raid. BCoB and SCoB are both one-group events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    Guys, we already addressed "what the developer says" with the potato bit a few pages back. Just because the developer calls it something, does not make it so.

    CT is the only raid. BCoB and SCoB are both one-group events.
    With that mindset just because you say something does not make it so. That whole potato bit from before was such an logical fallacy it isn't even worth any new poster's time to bother reading.
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    Odin and Behemoth are raids, there's always like 80 people there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    Guys, we already addressed "what the developer says" with the potato bit a few pages back. Just because the developer calls it something, does not make it so.

    CT is the only raid. BCoB and SCoB are both one-group events.
    That's great. You like to state your opinion over and over. Log into the game. Look at your duty finder. Click raid option. Look what is there. Case closed.
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    Agreed on those two FATEs, that people essentially raid them - though they're not top end content

    Also, they are the epitome of what people decry about raids : zerging. That's not exactly a good thing. Zerging comes about from two things : either a poor raid design, or poor raid leadership that can't figure out the tactics to beat the raid without people dying and coming back over and over until the event is won.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder View Post
    Agreed on those two FATEs, that people essentially raid them - though they're not top end content
    Irrelevant. You can't form multiple groups. Can't be raided. Group content. Come back to me when we can form alliances.
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    You can't win against TOR tier fans OP, Coil is simply the game's highest difficulty dungeon, just let them think they've won whatever it is they've won. We'll get a proper second raid next week and big group PvP, we most likely will get CT3 before the expansion and maybe more proper multi party content after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roris View Post
    You can't win against TOR tier fans OP, Coil is simply the game's highest difficulty dungeon, just let them think they've won whatever it is they've won. We'll get a proper second raid next week and big group PvP, we most likely will get CT3 before the expansion and maybe more proper multi party content after that.
    Coil is simply one of the two raids available in this game. That is the pure unarguable fact of the matter. So in this regard yes, the OP has no hope of winning whatever it is you think he is competing for.
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