More Raid content please!

[SDaemon]

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Here are two definitions pulled from MMO glossary sites, one of which being yours.

http://mmoterms.com/full-mmorpg-terms-glossary

Raid
A more substantial engagement involving a large organized group of players typically set in a dungeon and involving difficult bosses.

http://www.mmoglossary.com/mmorpg_terms/1/index.html

- Raid .
A raid is a large-scale attack on an area by a group of players.

Neither make mention of "multi party" or the like. The closest you have from these examples is large organized group, which is not synonymous with having multiple group joined together, it simply means a large group. In this game 8 players is large compared to 4 player dungeons. In WoW 10 players is large compared to 5m dungeons. Can we have larger groups? Yes, all for it. Doesn't make either 10m WoW or 8m XIV not raids when their companies, their developers call them raids.

Care to be wrong yet again?

EDIT: Oh sorry seems you've edited my second one into your post as well. Now I'm really puzzled, how exactly are you helping your cause? Because neither of these are referring to anything like multi-party.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

I just went back and repeated the definitions others found on the web and had posted previously in here.

"Very large", "large", "large scale" " " ...

The word means content too big for a single group to handle. Thus, multi-party content.

In this game, there are 8 man dungeons. 8 man raid is NOT larger than 8 man dungeons.

24 man raid is larger than 8 man dungeon though. 16 man raid would be, too.

[SDaemon]

No, the wording means a large group. It doesn't mean multi-party (which would what you would have in LoTA with their 3 Alliances btw). How is 10m raiding multi-party? There are 5m dungeons and 10m raids in WoW, made of of 10 people. How is that multi-party? It doesn't break the raid up into 2 groups of 5, that isn't how it works. Would that mean that everyone raiding 10m in WoW aren't really raiding to you?

It is simply 10 people raiding, a larger group then the regular 5 people who run dungeons. In XIV you have that. You have 4 people running dungeons and 8 people running the raids in CoB/SCoB.

So because the 2 end game scenarios are 8m and the trials are 8m it invalidates that 8m raiding is larger then the regular 4m dungeons?

If WoW (using this as an example for simplicity's sake) were to come out with content (while still having their regular 5 man dungeons) other than 10m raiding that used 10 players, 10m raiding would no longer be raiding? Just in the name of comparison.

[Ransu]

I just went back and repeated the definitions others found on the web and had posted previously in here.

"Very large", "large", "large scale" " " ...

The word means content too big for a single group to handle. Thus, multi-party content.

In this game, there are 8 man dungeons. 8 man raid is NOT larger than 8 man dungeons.

24 man raid is larger than 8 man dungeon though. 16 man raid would be, too.

Stop...just stop....

[WingsofWar]

In this game I was under the impression that single party group is 4 man consisting of 1 tank,1 healer, 2dps.

Then a 2 party group would be 8 man, 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4dps.....is that not a raid?

I consider CM, Castrum, Coil, CT, and trials are all raid content. Hell even Behemoth and Odin is raid. I think other MMOs have spoiled some players here and are constantly pushing their experiences in other games into this one making this thread into cancer. I take it as it is, and the smaller scale 8 man raid content is just fine. More 12, 16 and 24 man content isn't something i'm that willing to accept with open arms seeing as how much a cluster f*$K CT was and still is. Even Statics have trouble maintaining 8 man weekly coil runs, what more for large scale pro raids.

[Roris]

The game doesn't have enough large scale content that involves more than one party, arguing terms won't make it magically appear or make existing content larger than it is. The OP is just requesting more of this type of large scale content, the game would currently benefit from both larger scale multi party content and smaller scale content. Content in general in an MMO is always good, especially larger scale content, they are Massively Multiplayer Online Games after all (can't wait to see this term argued too to avoid the issue once again).

That's all there is to it, are you satisfied? Can we finally discuss large scale content, larger than the average this game currently has? Feel free to discuss smaller scale content too, also feel free to disregard it with a simple "No it doesn't need it" and feel great about yourself, at least it's discussing the original intention of the topic.

[Dano]

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if his first post wasn't so blatantly dissing coil as a raid or one party content raid in general it would've gotten better responses. oh and that latest edit doesn't really help his case here.

[Ransu]

In this game I was under the impression that single party group is 4 man consisting of 1 tank,1 healer, 2dps.

Then a 2 party group would be 8 man, 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4dps.....is that not a raid?

I consider CM, Castrum, Coil, CT, and trials are all raid content. Hell even Behemoth and Odin is raid. I think other MMOs have spoiled some players here and are constantly pushing their experiences in other games into this one making this thread into cancer. I take it as it is, and the smaller scale 8 man raid content is just fine. More 12, 16 and 24 man content isn't something i'm that willing to accept with open arms seeing as how much a cluster f*$K CT was and still is. Even Statics have trouble maintaining 8 man weekly coil runs, what more for large scale pro raids.

It is, but don't tell roth that.

[SDaemon]

I consider CM, Castrum, Coil, CT, and trials are all raid content. Hell even Behemoth and Odin is raid. I think other MMOs have spoiled some players here and are constantly pushing their experiences in other games into this one making this thread into cancer. I take it as it is, and the smaller scale 8 man raid content is just fine. More 12, 16 and 24 man content isn\\'t something i\\'m that willing to accept with open arms seeing as how much a cluster f* CT was and still is. Even Statics have trouble maintaining 8 man weekly coil runs, what more for large scale pro raids.

CT would have been less of a cluster-fest if we could have pre-made groups and done it from the get go. Any time you have large scale raids with random people trying to work towards a goal, it never runs as smoothly when compared to a static.

[Gamma621]

I just went back and repeated the definitions others found on the web and had posted previously in here.

"Very large", "large", "large scale" " " ...

The word means content too big for a single group to handle. Thus, multi-party content.

In this game, there are 8 man dungeons. 8 man raid is NOT larger than 8 man dungeons.

24 man raid is larger than 8 man dungeon though. 16 man raid would be, too.

Have you even finished middle school yet? Do you even know what words mean?

Large-scale is a RELATIVE term.
2 players is large-scale, in relation to 1 player.
8 players is large-scale, in relation to 4 players.
100 players is large scale, in relation to 24 players.

So since I think 24-man groups are not LARGE-SCALE enough to be considered raids, only groups with 100+ players can actually be considered a raid.

Do you see the fallacy in the underlined sentence? Because this is your argument.