More Raid content please!

[Gamma621]

Me : SE is wrong for calling single-group content "raid".
Others : SE said its raid, so its raid!
Me : I know they said so, they were in error to do so.
Others : doesn't matter what you say, they said its raid, so its raid!

Neither I nor SE get to define what "raid" means. While the majority of people here were quick to point out half of that statement, they were unwilling to admit the other half. I was never using "my" definition, I use the word appropriately. SE is not. With a proper understanding of what "raid" means, I posted that we need more of it, since CT is the only content that currently fits the definition of a raid.

You don't get to decide what Raid means. SE gets to decide, because it's their game. How can you not get this through your head? You keep saying it's not your definition of the word raid, yet you have shown nothing to the contrary. I posted definitions from 3 different sources that were unbiased towards any one game, and it says nothing about multi-group content, even though you tried to twist the words in your favor. You have shown nothing substantiating your claim of what "Raid" actually means, and why your defintion should apply to this game.

[Xatsh]

You don't get to decide what Raid means. SE gets to decide, because it's their game. How can you not get this through your head? You keep saying it's not your definition of the word raid, yet you have shown nothing to the contrary. I posted definitions from 3 different sources that were unbiased towards any one game, and it says nothing about multi-group content, even though you tried to twist the words in your favor. You have shown nothing substantiating your claim of what "Raid" actually means, and why your defintion should apply to this game.

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

The definition of a RAID outside the mmo genre means nothing. This is the only mmo game that considers a raid = full party.

[Archulak]

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

The definition of a RAID outside the mmo genre means nothing. This is the only game that considers a raid = full party.

Why does the game that originally designated something called a raid get to have the undisputed definition of it......... see how that works.

[Gamma621]

Why does SE get to define something that has been defined? Would that mean SE can define an alliance as one person if they choose?

The definition of a RAID outside the mmo genre means nothing. This is the only mmo game that considers a raid = full party.

Defined by WHO? Show me ANYTHING to back up your statement. You can't just take a word, change the dictionary meaning, and then mandate that every future game must now use it in this context. How arrogant are you?

I have now decided that MMO actually means first person shooter. Any person who now disagrees is wrong, and is using the term incorrectly.

That sentence makes as much sense as what you are saying.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Defined by WHO? Show me ANYTHING to back up your statement. You can't just take a word, change the dictionary meaning, and then mandate that every future game must now use it in this context. How arrogant are you?

I have now decided that MMO actually means first person shooter. Any person who now disagrees is wrong, and is using the term incorrectly.

That sentence makes as much sense as what you are saying.

We didn't change what "raid" means. SE, and people defending SE's choice to call BCoB and SCoB "raids,did.

[SDaemon]

We didn't change what "raid" means. People defending SE's choice to call BCoB and SCoB "raids" did.

There is no changing of the word's meaning because there is no definite meaning of the word. If there were then everyone would define it the same way. There is and most likely never will be a consensus on the definition until game developers everywhere sit down and say "hmm yes this will be what is now a raid and shall be in any game made henceforth". Please just give up on your hopeless personal crusade. It wont make you right and it wont change Coil from being a raid in this game.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

There is no changing of the word's meaning because there is no definite meaning of the word. If there were then everyone would define it the same way. There is and most likely never will be a consensus on the definition until game developers everywhere sit down and say "hmm yes this will be what is now a raid and shall be in any game made henceforth". Please just give up on your hopeless personal crusade. It wont make you right it and it wont change Coil from being a raid in this game.

It can't make me something I already am.

However, I don't doubt that you're correct in saying that this won't get SE to get out of being wrong.

As for "no definite meaning of the word" ... rubbish. People have found MMO meanings for raid. And they were all, in one way or another, describing what I've been saying the whole time : multi-group events. Events that are too big for a single group to handle. Events that take more people when initially released than single-group content.

Now you're saying that all that doesn't matter because "there is no definite meaning of the word"? Nice way of saying we're both right when we contradict one another.

This is FF XIV, other games are other games...none of which stick to the same numbers. What you believe is not an opinion to you, it is fact, therefore making your word law in your eyes. For everyone opposed to your opinion it's a lost cause trying to tell you otherwise. I'm sorry, but this game apparently has different standards than what you consider the "right" way, or the true definition. There is no actual standard for what is a raid or not. As it has been said already, SE made this game, so what they call a raid IS a raid in this game. You can either accept that, or people will continue disagreeing with you.

When did I say that the numbers have to be consistent across all games? WoW has 2 and 5 group raids. EQ has 9 group raids. Wildstar .. I don't know their group size, but at 40 people, that's going to be a few groups.

The number of groups in the raid only matters in that to be a raid, its got to be greater than one. THAT is the constant. 1 group = one group content. 2 or more groups = raid content. Last I looked, 2, 5, 9, they are all greater than one group. FF14's raid, CT, is 3 groups. Again, more than one group.

Is one person a group? No. Is one person soloing somewhere doing group content? Maybe, if the character is strong enough to handle it. Is content designed for one person "group" content? No. Likewise, content designed for one group is not raid content. Is that soloer doing raid content? Could be, if the character is strong enough, which usually comes about as the game gets older and old raids do not increase in power with characters attempting them.

[SDaemon]

It can't make me something I already am.

However, I don't doubt that you're correct in saying that this won't get SE to get out of being wrong.

Cute, you are horribly wrong when it comes to this, but your response was cute.

OP used a widely accepted synonym for multi group content in other MMOs, especially in the ones this game heavily borrows from, almost copied directly if you will. He then clarified on the different tiers of content depending on how many people are participating and their composition: solo, group and raid (multi group). Now since the term light means something isn't quite as heavy or full, a Full Party can be safely considered as single full group, just the one group. Then a couple of people who always take every bit of criticism personally decided this was a direct attack on the integrity of the game with direct critical accusations that the game doesn't have a lot of multi group content, which it doesn't by the way, and instantly dismissed everything he said especially knowing full well what he meant by using the term raid.

So yes, it is the same thing. If the game defines Coil as a raid therefore it must be one and must be called so by everyone, so by the same logic he should abide to calling it Second Coil because the game defines it as so, nowhere in the game does it state they are Turn 6 to 9, only the game's definition matters. It's simple really, wouldn't want people thinking anyone is a hypocrite or an apologist.

No it is not a synonym. If it were then EVERY SINGLE MMO would define raids the same way and would use "multi group content" in place of it as well. In this instance in XIV SE defines Coil as a raid, therefore it is a raid. In this instance SCoB t1-4 are also called by the XIV community t6-9 while realizing that the instance is called SCoB t1-4. You are seriously embarrassing yourself here.

[Vahlnir]

When did I say that the numbers have to be consistent across all games?

Never, but you have your own set of standards that are 100% correct...but only to you. If you're looking for more multi-group content, I hope SE implements more as well. As to the whole raid not being a raid thing, THAT is where you fail miserably in gaining any support.

[Vahlnir]

We didn't change what "raid" means. People defending SE's choice to call BCoB and SCoB "raids" did.

This is FF XIV, other games are other games...none of which stick to the same numbers. What you believe is not an opinion to you, it is fact, therefore making your word law in your eyes. For everyone opposed to your opinion it's a lost cause trying to tell you otherwise. I'm sorry, but this game apparently has different standards than what you consider the "right" way, or the true definition. There is no actual standard for what is a raid or not. As it has been said already, SE made this game, so what they call a raid IS a raid in this game. You can either accept that, or people will continue disagreeing with you.