Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
The truth of the matter is you're wrong, as the last 23 pages full of responses have proven. Using other MMOs or generic "standards" does not make what people have said any less true. Your dedication to your cause is admirable, but you aren't even open to the possibility that you could be incorrect in your assumptions. Let's do this again after another 23 pages, shall we? ^^; Now, as to my definition of a raid: It is any content intended to be completed by a group of skilled and geared individuals, whether it be one boss or many. Beyond that the numbers required vary from MMO to MMO, so there is no real standard other than it may require more than 4 or 5. Haven't seen a 1 or 2 man raid...well, ever. Unless someone is soloing old content.
By your definition, seeing as Copperbell requires some skill (that should have been learned by the time you reach a high enough level in your class to do the dungeon) and requires 4 people (raids only "may" require more than 4 or 5) it counts as a raid?

Quote Originally Posted by Archulak View Post
You obviously just skipped over me explicitly stating what i think of as a raid, let me just go ahead and quote myself.

When I think of a raid I think of a fight much more challenging than the rest of the game that can consist of either one really powerful boss or multiple segments each with their own boss leading up to a really powerful one.(Independent of party size because more often than not, adding more people just makes the likelihood of error higher which in an entirely artificial increase in difficulty) Your right though, obviously my definition of raid is wrong and yours is the only one that could ever be correct.
You've described any dungeon that has a boss fight. Although, your statement that it is independent of group size is accurate, since it is the number of groups (as per that "large scale" definition earlier in the thread) being greater than one that makes it go from group content to raid content.

But, apparently, as far as anyone here is concerned, raid content is an additional descriptor, on a different level from solo content or group content. Have fun people. You've put to rest any desire I've had to have multi-group content.

What FF14 needs are more SOLOABLE RAIDS!!!!!! It lacks any at all!!!!!!!!!!