DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Souljacker]

I don't understand why folks get so up in arms over the thought of UI enhancements. XIV is very, VERY far behind the curve here in terms of accessibility for the game. There's a HUGE untapped community of modders that would take a lot of stress off the devs if SE would just relax this stance of "no" to everything.

This weekend I went looking for an update on whether they were going to allow parsers or not and was disappointed that for all of Yoshi-P's knowledge of modern mmo gameplay, this one aspect continues to elude him. I just want a lightweight little box I can put in an inconspicuous corner so I can eyeball how I am doing in relation to the rest of the damage dealers and healers. Something like recount, which barely uses any resources and doesn't affect gameplay. It's really not fair to force better players and players who want to improve themselves to have to guess just so some others can get away with being carried more often.

[Pooky_Pasha]

How can you tell wich is better between determination, spell speed or critical? I guess a dps meater was not involver by you or others or your "i'm amazing without a dps meater" is only shit. How can you tell if it's better double flare in t8 even without convert and you get stuck to wait in UI1 or not?

I'm guessing his claims/delusions of grandeur are similar to how an amazing percent of people become "developers" or "game designers" when it suits their argument.

[Malric]

People don't kick DPS who don't pull their weight left and right without reason, if they perform moderately it's already enough to keep them.

First off this is complete and total bull. It's some line of crap people that want their crutch use to say "they are not bad".

It happens all the time. Parsers are bannable and people still use them and for this.

I seen people kicked over it with no explanation after 1 wipe because their DPS was are low.

I've group with people using them, some that I don't like the way they use them and a few that use them for themselves primarily.

The problem is when parsers become allowed and spread, they set the "standards". Kicking people becomes the norm and you can say it doesn't but anyone that has played games like WoW has seen this or they're lying to themselves. I don't even know anyone that hasn't seen this.

tbc

[Malric]

If SE built a parser of sorts into the game that measured / gave feedback to players with even something as simple as low/average/high ratings then sure, I could see it being not too horrible.

However you people want to judge what is good and what sucks by a criteria set by a 3rd party addon that only a small fraction of the game uses and it would not become overwhelmingly adopted if they did allow it. (Most of you that would use them if they were allowed use them now anyway).

If it were built in the game, everyone would be on the same playing field.

As an addon, it's elitest crap and the people using it telling the rest of the game if they're good enough.

Parsers haven't even been in FFXIV that long yet somehow people have been finishing end game content this whole time. How does that make them "Needed"?

Maybe a better suggestion for you all is to ask them to put one into the game rather than allow 3rd party ones. That is the only way I could see them doing any good.

[LetBloodline]

If SE built a parser of sorts into the game that measured / gave feedback to players with even something as simple as low/average/high ratings then sure, I could see it being not too horrible.

However you people want to judge what is good and what sucks by a criteria set by a 3rd party addon that only a small fraction of the game uses and it would not become overwhelmingly adopted if they did allow it. (Most of you that would use them if they were allowed use them now anyway).

If it were built in the game, everyone would be on the same playing field.

As an addon, it's elitest crap and the people using it telling the rest of the game if they're good enough.

Parsers haven't even been in FFXIV that long yet somehow people have been finishing end game content this whole time. How does that make them "Needed"?

Maybe a better suggestion for you all is to ask them to put one into the game rather than allow 3rd party ones. That is the only way I could see them doing any good.

I need build in one, i'm from ps4. We don't want "bah ok use it", we want a good official parser. Anyway parsers are around from 1-2 month since release

Plus, please don't forget to explain how did you choose you BiS equipment in this game. How did you weighted secondary stats without any information gotten out from a parser by you or other people?

[Exstal]

As an addon, it's elitest crap and the people using it telling the rest of the game if they're good enough.

Parsers haven't even been in FFXIV that long yet somehow people have been finishing end game content this whole time. How does that make them "Needed"?

Maybe a better suggestion for you all is to ask them to put one into the game rather than allow 3rd party ones. That is the only way I could see them doing any good.

Elitist crap? Hahahaa, I think you are ignorant to what an elitist is. Parsers haven't been in FFXIV that long? They've been in since basically relaunch (August 25, 2013). So it's been here for basically the entire time. The reason why you can only see it doing any good in that way is because your vision is limited to what you've done for the past 20 years and your acceptance of anything outside that vision is wrong.

What class and server did you play in Aion? What year did you quit?

I need build in one, i'm from ps4. We don't want "bah ok use it", we want a good official parser. Anyway parsers are around from 1-2 month since release

Plus, please don't forget to explain how did you choose you BiS equipment in this game. How did you weighted secondary stats without any information gotten out from a parser by you or other people?

I don't think he said that he didn't get his information from people who used parsers. That he personally doesn't use it. That's fine for him because he's just one person in the hundreds of thousands. People who actually care about improvement will find any way to refine their skill, as long as it is within reason. I said this already though, there's three ways to go about this;

1) Get a pen and paper handy, and recording software. Some kind of timer then record yourself doing rotation with combat log up. When you're done, do math. Total damage done over time = damage per second.
2) Get parser which does it a fraction of the time.
3) Read the tooltips and just guess which is the best rotation and if you get lucky, you're right. If you get it wrong, you're still doing better than majority of players who don't do 1 or 2.

[rappa]

I think there are a lot of of short-tempered people and scared by being kicked from partys.

I understand the reason why SE doesn't want Parsers ingame. Players can be selfish and accusative. But the parser is a fantastic tool showing your damage, healing and mitigation. Not only a e-peen meter

[LetBloodline]

snip self esteeem boost

So let me recap it.
You choose rotation based on studies done with parser
You choose your BiS based on studies done with parser
You play with a friend with parser up and probably calling life % of boss and mabe even incoming attaks

But yes, you don't use parsers yourself...
yes...

Sorry but seriusly, what attention wore are you? Blabbling about how great you are since you don't use parser when you use it like everybody else. Parser are primarly tools for optimizing rotation (you studied work done by others with parser) and gear (same)

Reality is that if no parsers whold exist you whould not be as effective as now. So stop being so full of yourself elitist fake great player

[AerysDarkstrike]

Parsers will lead to players getting kicked out of groups far more than to players being helped - even if said "help" is a simple "read a guide". Most people who want parsers do not want to help other players, they simply want a quick way to kick "underperformers" so they don't "waste time".

[LetBloodline]

Parsers will lead to players getting kicked out of groups far more than to players being helped - even if said "help" is a simple "read a guide". Most people who want parsers do not want to help other players, they simply want a quick way to kick "underperformers" so they don't "waste time".

Some (i hope few) ppl that are alredy harassers and alredy kick you out without explenation want parser to give you an explenation. They get reported now as they whould get reported after

Many ppl like me want parser to improve their play and to test by themselfs slight variation to rotation, equip change, cooldown usage and such.

Every player that entered the mentality of MMO endgame of improving themselfs and their gear will get advantage to be able to parse themselfs

The ppl you are talking are not nice now. They open "animus or better weapon" for brayflox, they alredy use a parser on PC and they alredy kick ppl out not giving explenation