DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Exstal]

Then the law needs to be changed. If breaking it regularly is okay, then it's not something to be followed, no?

Cruise control at the speed limit and just enjoy the ride.

Aside: Cruise control is the best invention.

[Hiruke]

Believe me I looked, "They Suck" is NOT an option when vote kicking someone. I kinda think that's intentional.

I class being terrible at dps as "harassment". In order to prove it's harassment, if things are taking a million years to die, I (politely) let the other person know that they need to use a better rotation/look up a proper rotation. This goes one of two ways: 1) They do so, and their dps improves or 2) They start trolling the hell out of me, and I kick them. I've yet to see 3) They say nothing and just continue to dps poorly. It's a theoretical possibility, I guess.

[Hiruke]

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SE isn't going to allow them here just like they didn't in FFXI.

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Cool story. So, whenever people don't like something, they should just shut up and accept it? If people did that, we'd all have accepted that FFXIV is complete garbage thanks to 1.0, the game would have died, and no one would have cared. Good argument.

People complaining are how customers inform the business that something isn't right. The business then decides if it makes sense to listen. The business runs the risk of 1) doing something they heard people say they want but is actually a really bad idea that will lose them business and 2) not doing something they heard people say they want and is actually a really good idea but since they refuse to do it people are frustrated and take their business elsewhere. Saying it's stupid to complain is... stupid.

Comparing FFXIV to FFXI is pointless. No one from the FFXI team is on the FFXIV team. SE isn't a big faceless monster. FFXIV is run by humans. Different humans from the ones who run FFXI. Also, FFXI is not exactly a game rife with tight dps checks. You can TOTALLY carry swarms of awful players through EVERY content in the ENTIRE GAME.

That is nowhere close to the reality of FFXIV. Carrying people is undesirable in the extreme. Sometimes it's difficult/impossible. Bad dps is bad, and people need to be aware.

Build a bridge back to reality and stop accepting that everything awful must remain awful forever "just because".

[Atreides]

@LetBloodline
Those are exactly my thoughts, he kept telling people off about parsers and telling them how they are wannabes and how they will never reach his greatness while backing his words up with empty claims of his godlyness in other MMOS he has played in which he has never used a parser.
In my eyes this is nothing but ignorance, he would never know how well he'd perform or whether he is pulling his weight or just doing barely acceptable damage at best.

People don't kick DPS who don't pull their weight left and right without reason, if they perform moderately it's already enough to keep them.
The ones that are getting kicked are mostly not only underperforming but the ones that "bark", underperform and take unnecessary damage at least that is what I do, I don't expect greatness aslong as someone understands his class, role and abilities it's fine.
But when I see a Melee only at the rear of the enemy or only the flank I already know they obviously underperform.
If a BLM is only casting Ice spells, you know he is underperforming.

You don't need a parser for that to know it, so much is true BUT that's exactly what makes the parser necessary, most underperformers don't even know they suck.
You don't have numbers to prove, that their way is the wrong one so they go on the defense, now you have a person with ill feelings towards you because YOU dare to tell them they could perform better!
The same person will go to the forums and call off "Elitists" for using parsers, telling how they are bad for the community and should be banned!
If said person would see his own numbers he would actually know the difference and eventually seek guidance from the person outperforming him by a mile with same or lesser gear. (i.e. 180 vs 320 for example)
We don't want a parser to show everyone how great we are, far from it. We want it so that others can actually improve and seek guidance from more experienced players with numbers to back it up.
Of course there are elitist jerks but there are just as many if not more ignorant jerks who have never used a parser and just say it's the devil and witchcraft and everyone that uses one should be burned on a stake or drowned!

[Floppytop]

On the harassment case I don't know when it is fine for bad tank and bad healers to get abuse when they mess up because there mistakes and so noticeable but when we talk about a means of pointing out that a dps is not doing there job right it is totally wrong.

We can see flaws in tanks and healers so why not see it in dps 2

[Synovius]

The logic behind not wanting DPS meters available is like saying that we should learn to read without the aid of books. It makes zero sense. Let's arbitrarily limit the possible data we could use in the interest of not hurting someone's feelings.

[Ehayte]

I am a PS4 player and I want a parser really really badly.

I just connected with a PC player that was using a parser, and from running a few T6s with him, I was able to identify I wasn't as good as I thought I was, find the problem, fix it, and increase my DPS in a single night by roughly 14%.

Those of you who think that people want parsers so they can go, "heh heh heh, you NOOBS SUXORS!!! Now I have proof! Vote Kick Vote Kick Vote Kick!!! MUHAHAHAHAAA!!!!" Are either way overly self-riotous, or dirty commies that don't believe in the competitive spirit of capitalism #elistist.

Seriously, maybe there are some people that would use a DPS meter and yell at people who aren't as good - but there are already people that do that. I can already freakin' tell ABOUT how much you are DPSing by your rank on the enmity list. I just want to see my OWN numbers so that I can make myself better.

[LetBloodline]

I am a PS4 player and I want a parser really really badly.

I just connected with a PC player that was using a parser, and from running a few T6s with him, I was able to identify I wasn't as good as I thought I was, find the problem, fix it, and increase my DPS in a single night by roughly 14%.

Nice boost there. good job =)

But you know, parser won't improve your playstile... or so i heard.... u.u

[Ehayte]

Nice boost there. good job =)

But you know, parser won't improve your playstile... or so i heard.... u.u

I have no idea what you are trying to communicate here.

[LetBloodline]

I have no idea what you are trying to communicate here.

sarcasm.

Arguments in this topic where that DPS meater whould not improve the way you play