DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Malric]

If SE built a parser of sorts into the game that measured / gave feedback to players with even something as simple as low/average/high ratings then sure, I could see it being not too horrible.

However you people want to judge what is good and what sucks by a criteria set by a 3rd party addon that only a small fraction of the game uses and it would not become overwhelmingly adopted if they did allow it. (Most of you that would use them if they were allowed use them now anyway).

If it were built in the game, everyone would be on the same playing field.

As an addon, it's elitest crap and the people using it telling the rest of the game if they're good enough.

Parsers haven't even been in FFXIV that long yet somehow people have been finishing end game content this whole time. How does that make them "Needed"?

Maybe a better suggestion for you all is to ask them to put one into the game rather than allow 3rd party ones. That is the only way I could see them doing any good.

[LetBloodline]

If SE built a parser of sorts into the game that measured / gave feedback to players with even something as simple as low/average/high ratings then sure, I could see it being not too horrible.

However you people want to judge what is good and what sucks by a criteria set by a 3rd party addon that only a small fraction of the game uses and it would not become overwhelmingly adopted if they did allow it. (Most of you that would use them if they were allowed use them now anyway).

If it were built in the game, everyone would be on the same playing field.

As an addon, it's elitest crap and the people using it telling the rest of the game if they're good enough.

Parsers haven't even been in FFXIV that long yet somehow people have been finishing end game content this whole time. How does that make them "Needed"?

Maybe a better suggestion for you all is to ask them to put one into the game rather than allow 3rd party ones. That is the only way I could see them doing any good.

I need build in one, i'm from ps4. We don't want "bah ok use it", we want a good official parser. Anyway parsers are around from 1-2 month since release

Plus, please don't forget to explain how did you choose you BiS equipment in this game. How did you weighted secondary stats without any information gotten out from a parser by you or other people?

[Exstal]

As an addon, it's elitest crap and the people using it telling the rest of the game if they're good enough.

Parsers haven't even been in FFXIV that long yet somehow people have been finishing end game content this whole time. How does that make them "Needed"?

Maybe a better suggestion for you all is to ask them to put one into the game rather than allow 3rd party ones. That is the only way I could see them doing any good.

Elitist crap? Hahahaa, I think you are ignorant to what an elitist is. Parsers haven't been in FFXIV that long? They've been in since basically relaunch (August 25, 2013). So it's been here for basically the entire time. The reason why you can only see it doing any good in that way is because your vision is limited to what you've done for the past 20 years and your acceptance of anything outside that vision is wrong.

What class and server did you play in Aion? What year did you quit?

I need build in one, i'm from ps4. We don't want "bah ok use it", we want a good official parser. Anyway parsers are around from 1-2 month since release

Plus, please don't forget to explain how did you choose you BiS equipment in this game. How did you weighted secondary stats without any information gotten out from a parser by you or other people?

I don't think he said that he didn't get his information from people who used parsers. That he personally doesn't use it. That's fine for him because he's just one person in the hundreds of thousands. People who actually care about improvement will find any way to refine their skill, as long as it is within reason. I said this already though, there's three ways to go about this;

1) Get a pen and paper handy, and recording software. Some kind of timer then record yourself doing rotation with combat log up. When you're done, do math. Total damage done over time = damage per second.
2) Get parser which does it a fraction of the time.
3) Read the tooltips and just guess which is the best rotation and if you get lucky, you're right. If you get it wrong, you're still doing better than majority of players who don't do 1 or 2.

[Malric]

Alright I'm done here. These forum moderators don't do their jobs so I will leave here. I'll make my complaint with SE about these forums and be done with them for good!

I answer this question below and I get flagged and a warning my post is off topic and violates the user agreement!

What class and server did you play in Aion? What year did you quit?

This entire topic violates the user agreement!

Advocating "third party software" is in itself a bannable offense in this game.
Using it is a bannable offense.

Yet people in this forum advocate parsers, admit they use parsers and use profanity (another violation) doing so!

I'm the only one here even advocating the rules in this game!

and I'm flagged for being "off topic" because I answered a question...

[Pooky_Pasha]

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Well, I hate to break it to you, but it's your own fault. The post you quoted and answered is 191. This first post of yours is 160. The second one is post 166. You brought up your awesomeness from other games way before the question was asked, and the only reason the question was asked was because you brought up how awesome you were at those games. You have no one to blame but yourself for that. Also, please show me where advocating "third party software" is a bannable offense...

I know you assume but just FYI...
I've never been kicked out of a party for bad DPS or any other reason.

Even in WoW and Aion when people posted DPS meters I was always high on them and often on top.

I'm sorry you lack the skills to be good at a game without addons.

However I've been good at games since the Atari and have topped MMO's since they were text based MUDs.

Like I said personally I think people that need them are just weak and lack basic skills to self evaluate so they need something to do it for them.

Sorry if that hurts your e-peen but it don't change that SE agrees more with my stance than yours.

I've played almost every major MMO launched in the past 20 years.
I was topping MMOs when they were text based, ran the most successful raiding guild in WoW on Shadowsong for 3 years which I built. Pulled server firsts that unlocked content for our faction and finished end game that 90% of our faction couldn't even put together a group to walk into.

I did this without DPS meters...

I'm sorry you need addons to do what I've been doing since before DPS meters existed.

And this beauty of a post sums up the entirety of your argument: hot air with no solid substance to back it up.

Oh please do, also bring up how when the game began there were no meters and it rose to be the most successful MMO in history.

How the increasing people leaving and the decline in end game play pretty
much started once DPS meters dominated the game.

How this caused them to constantly change character classes costing them millions in development and led to them removing choice from character design to reduce the number of people that can't hack it in end game play.

How since then, the game has lost over 80% of it's world players outside China and they couldn't maintain their game without bots/gold farmers.

How the game is turning cash shop in desperation, allowing people to buy level cap and allowing those left to multibox 10+ accounts to keep enough subs to stay in business.

[Malric]

Well, I hate to break it to you, but it's your own fault. The post you quoted and answered is 191. This first post of yours is 160. The second one is post 166. You brought up your awesomeness from other games way before the question was asked, and the only reason the question was asked was because you brought up how awesome you were at those games.

Actually, my first post was #144 and I only brought up other games at all in response to being told not only were they necessary, but the reference to all these other games they are in and how accepted they are and how the most commercially successful game (a wow ref) feels about them.

Read the entire conversation, not pick and choose the parts you like.

My statement was simple, they weren't "Needed" there and are not "Needed" here.

[Malric]

Also, please show me where advocating "third party software" is a bannable offense...

In post 145 I actually posted a link to a discussion on this manner in which a GM even states so.
If you know how to use google... there are MANY such things you can find on this.
If it will make you feel better I can make a ticket and show you the response.
Or better yet, try it, and please share (screenshot) your results.

I'd LOVE to see you prove my point!

[Pooky_Pasha]

Actually, my first post was #144 and I only brought up other games at all in response to being told not only were they necessary, but the reference to all these other games they are in and how accepted they are and how the most commercially successful game (a wow ref) feels about them.

Read the entire conversation, not pick and choose the parts you like.

My statement was simple, they weren't "Needed" there and are not "Needed" here.

I've read every post of this thread while eating popcorn. It's hilarious. You blamed the moderators who "don't do their jobs" because you got flagged for a forum violation (so they did do their job). Bringing up whatever history you had in other games with fantastical stories is on you, and I'm guessing that's why you were flagged. The mods don't like that. It's entirely your fault you were flagged. Also, discussing actions taken by moderators is a forum violation as well.

In post 145 I actually posted a link to a discussion on this manner in which a GM even states so.
If you know how to use google... there are MANY such things you can find on this.
If it will make you feel better I can make a ticket and show you the response.
Or better yet, try it, and please share (screenshot) your results.

I'd LOVE to see you prove my point!

I read post 144 the day it was posted, as well as that reddit thread long ago when it was posted, and both of them deal with USAGE, not ADVOCATING. Usage and advocating are in no way the same thing. This thread is not a violation of forum rules as you seem to think for whatever reason. How you got that idea, who knows.

[LetBloodline]

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So let me recap it.
You choose rotation based on studies done with parser
You choose your BiS based on studies done with parser
You play with a friend with parser up and probably calling life % of boss and mabe even incoming attaks

But yes, you don't use parsers yourself...
yes...

Sorry but seriusly, what attention wore are you? Blabbling about how great you are since you don't use parser when you use it like everybody else. Parser are primarly tools for optimizing rotation (you studied work done by others with parser) and gear (same)

Reality is that if no parsers whold exist you whould not be as effective as now. So stop being so full of yourself elitist fake great player

[Malric]

So let me recap it.
You choose rotation based on studies done with parser
You choose your BiS based on studies done with parser

I know it's easier to assume than it is to state anything that exists outside your own little mind but let me recap this for you:

I don't use parsers
I choose my rotations based on skill times, damage of skills, mana cost & cooldowns
(not a damn thing to do with parsers)
I've never studied a damn thing with a parser

In Aion it was like WoW, you couldn't get into a serious end game fight without someone in the party broadcasting a parser.

My improvements were based on upgrades to my gear and learning the fights
(once again nothing to do with the parsers)