DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Malric]

There is no functional difference to me. I see what I encounter. And I see a lot of prideful players who aren't as good as they could be.

I've played games and watched DPS that can raise allow a party wipe because they don't think of rezing, because it hurts their DPS.

Players stupidly over DPS and not use hate reduction because their race against the meter is more important.

I've seen good players not allowed to raid with their guild because they aren't high enough on a meter while no-one is teaches them to improve.

I've seen friends that join a game together not able to group together because one of them can't make a number crunch.

I've seen tanks & healers under geared for their job because they are focused more on DPS.

FC's that fall apart because the leaders are too good to group with their own members.

Those that can't learn without a meter will not learn with one.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Those that can't learn without a meter will not learn with one.

If a meter is validated, maybe they'll listen. If they don't, at least the reasons for excluding an underperformer won't be so hush-hush. Maybe then they'll take a long look at themselves and look for self-improvement.

Right now, "everyone" doesn't think being chased out of a party for poor DPS is valid because parsers are "not allowed". The device for measuring the result doesn't change the result: underperformance.

Yes there are other factors where DPS is not king. But someone who can't play to at least 80% competency on DPS isn't usually going to fare well in those areas either.

[Malric]

And I have raided high end content and went for top 50 world kills in a vast amount of titles and I can tell that youre full of shit. Unless you provide some proper evidence your statement basically is irrelevant. You wanna argue or make a point? Then provide arguments. Unless you do that your post is nothing but a waste of bandwidth.

I've played almost every major MMO launched in the past 20 years.
I was topping MMOs when they were text based, ran the most successful raiding guild in WoW on Shadowsong for 3 years which I built. Pulled server firsts that unlocked content for our faction and finished end game that 90% of our faction couldn't even put together a group to walk into.

I did this without DPS meters...

I'm sorry you need addons to do what I've been doing since before DPS meters existed.

[Malric]

If a meter is validated, maybe they'll listen. If they don't, at least the reasons for excluding an underperformer won't be so hush-hush. Maybe then they'll take a long look at themselves and look for self-improvement.

Historically, it's never been this way... ever.
People don't stop to teach pugs how to improve, they just kick people.
In games where they are allowed... this has never changed.
Wow has had DPS meters for years... guess what... it never changed there and it won't change here.

This theory would only work if most people used them which would never happen.

The real reason people want DPS meters but will never admit is simple.
They first validate themselves then others.
Use that to determine who is worthy to party with.

There's no teaching involved, just elitism and bragging rights for having a bigger "ego".

If you truly NEED a DPS meter to improve then you're not that good to begin with.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Historically, it's never been this way... ever.
People don't stop to teach pugs how to improve, they just kick people.
In games where they are allowed... this has never changed.
Wow has had DPS meters for years... guess what... it never changed there and it won't change here.

This theory would only work if most people used them which would never happen.

In that case the "legality" of the meter doesn't even matter to them then, does it?

DPS in this game is almost entirely straightforward. Good gear (to an extent) doesn't matter as much as good play. Someone who parses highly is doing something "more right" than someone who parses lower. It's up to them to figure out how.

Not everyone wants to be a teacher/learner.

[Malric]

I've already seen problems because of people trying to top meters in this game.

SMN don't want to resurrect because they don't want to use the MP or Swift.

Heals that run OOM because they blew their MP DPSing.

Bards that won't restore MP because it hurts their DPS.

Healers abusing bards that do use it so they can DPS, which basically makes the healer higher on DPS and the bard lower.

DPS in general not allowing tanks to get agro because they think everything's a DPS race.

These things will cause other players to have to work harder while in the end you will look better.

That doesn't make you better, it makes you a douche.

I've already seen this and worse.

I was in a party in DF on Garuda EX some time ago.

There were 4 people in a premade.

I watched them vote kick more than 20 DPS as we eventually hit 50% echo.
I must have been okay on their meter, IDK, but they never said a word, just kicked people.

[Malric]

In that case the "legality" of the meter doesn't even matter to them then, does it?

What "Legality"?
This is a game, not a country.
There are no laws inside FFXIV other than what Square puts there.

They make the laws, they make the rules, it is their game and their choice.

The only say we as players have is whether or not we decide to play the game.

You can sing about your feelings on DPS meters until the end of the earth, they're not going to unban you if they catch you.

You could all leave and obviously they wouldn't care. If they cared that you keep paying, they wouldn't ban you for it.

Sure they'd rather you keep paying and playing, but they've made it clear that this is not a negotiation.

For all I care you guys can stay in fight club, never talk about fight club, and live in fight club.

Just remember in the end, fight club was just some crazy fool beating himself up over nothing.

[SeraviEdalborez]

DPSing without a meter is like driving without a speedometer. You could (I guess), but it makes it awfully hard to see how precise you are.

Just the same, paying too much attention to the speedometer (DPS) and not to the road (fight) leads to accidents (wipes). Good driver pays attention to both. Good raider pays attention to both.

[Malric]

Not everyone wants to be a teacher/learner.

I agree... however this is the method 95% of people use to justify why DPS meters help the game.

I'm pretty sure you aren't winning any votes with the masses advertising their most common purpose.
Determining who to kick out of the party for not being good enough...

If SE was okay with this there would be an option to vote kick people in DF because they're not good enough to finish the content.

I've grouped with people that simply sucked and were ruining my daily MANY times... the ones that are borderline worse than bots.

Believe me I looked, "They Suck" is NOT an option when vote kicking someone. I kinda think that's intentional.

Use your meters in fight club premades and statics all you want and no one but you and SE will care.

There's a lot like me though that will report you before you can blink you pull that crap in Duty Finder so remember the first rule of Fight Club.

[Malric]

Anyway as I said before, not sure why I'm even talking about this.
It's a meaningless subject as the rules are what they are and I don't see SE changing that ever.
Lots of games don't allow addons, FFXI didn't allow them and it didn't kill anything.

This has become a 18 page & growing thread of people bantering something that none of us have any say over.
People don't change, they just argue.
This thread alone has officially wasted more of my time than DPS meters are even worth.

So please feel free to flame on with whatever meaningless garbage you can come up with knowing I'm done replying and going back to the game.

Just know, it truly is meaningless... the devs know how you feel about DPS meters.
They also know how everyone else feels about them.
And they know what they are and how they work.
They don't care.

SE isn't going to allow them here just like they didn't in FFXI.

Build a bridge and get over it.