DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Yahavage]

I want parsers added.

It's just sad when I out-dps a geared bard in Haukke HM when I'm on sch.

Granted, I didn't need the parser to tell me such, the guy was engaging once the mobs are half dead, however I am of the view that if people have it visible on screen, they will strive to perform better. Some people might not even realise they're performing poorly and it might encourage them to improve.

Of course you'll get asshats abusing it, just the same as they do everything else, but I think the pros outweigh the cons here by far.

[Dwill]

Right now we're at a point where parsers have a really bad rep among casuals, even if many games use it, casuals usually are not familiar with them, we are talking about FFXIV specifically, context really takes a big role when making this kind of decisions (Community wise), I would not have said anything about them if they had been introduced from the beginning but right now I do not think it would be a smart move by SE, adding in-game parser where you're ranked.

That's the thing. That argument makes no sense, it uses the same base as technophobia which is flat out stupid.

[LetBloodline]

I am a BLM from ps4 and i'm really striving for a personal DPS meater. It piss me off that i'm unable to try out the difference in rotations, the impact of equipment swapping, different timing for cooldowns in fight and similar. And i can't do it cuz i'd need to ask my friend with parser up after every wipe/run how i performed and it's nothing i dare to do

I really hate not being able to pars myself and be forced to play it random. Is better to use quelling strike on that phase or on the other one? I try Thunder 1 with one more fire cast or thunder 2 with one fire less? I can't answer miself. And this is really pissing me off being unable to parse myself only cuz i'm on console

Make personal parsers that don't give information on other members and that you can't show to others. No problems with others and ppl can try to better themselfs even on consoles =_=

[givemeraptors]

I am a BLM from ps4 and i'm really striving for a personal DPS meater. It piss me off that i'm unable to try out the difference in rotations, the impact of equipment swapping, different timing for cooldowns in fight and similar. And i can't do it cuz i'd need to ask my friend with parser up after every wipe/run how i performed and it's nothing i dare to do

I really hate not being able to pars myself and be forced to play it random. Is better to use quelling strike on that phase or on the other one? I try Thunder 1 with one more fire cast or thunder 2 with one fire less? I can't answer miself. And this is really pissing me off being unable to parse myself only cuz i'm on console

Make personal parsers that don't give information on other members and that you can't show to others. No problems with others and ppl can try to better themselfs even on consoles =_=

I thought a personal parser would work but the thing is that everyone else will know that you can see your numbers and no doubt there would be groups that ask you to share that information. I suppose you could bluff and say something like 300dps when you really did 200, but why should people have to lie or hide things from others to avoid being harassed?

[LetBloodline]

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Why i can't enjoy this game fully? Why i can't get the fun of experiencing different rotation? Why i must only rely on information others experience? Why can't i min max? Just cuz i'm on PS4, in the face od "same experience". For not casual this is a huge letdown on the potential fun of testing a item with 25 SS opposed to a 20 crit one, or slight differences due to cooldown timing.

Plus asking someone how much you parse when you can't check is honestly idiotic, way less abusable/harrassing of other things like vote-kick abuse. Idiots are idiots with or without this and report is there for this. The pros in personal DPS is why higher the the cons of ppl that alredy harass with parser. I want a much more heavy cons to personal parser not displeyable

[Exstal]

It's already been said a lot.

Scenario A) DPS isn't up to snuff, no one knows who is unable to pull their weight. Entire party disbands (I had that happen in Titan HM on my alt).
Scenario B) A sole DPS is not pulling the right numbers. Leader says, "back out". Kicks the weak DPS without letting him know.
Scenario C) A sole DPS is not pulling the right numbers. Leader says, "Yo, DPS B, can you pull your DPS up, you're doing pretty poorly." Either DPS B does so, or it happens to go to scenario B.

I had scenario C in my raid group but the raid leader let DPS B stay for 3 more weeks in hopes that he would bring his DPS up. He didn't, so we kicked him from the static. If you're going drag your raid team down, and then after being confronted on it, still don't change your ways, you're a detriment to the group.

[Buklohn]

People who are against DPS meters are forgetting that the most important thing about a DPS meter is as a DPS you want to maximize your damage to the fullest and this is exactly what a DPS meter will help you do. I actually had someone use a parser on my DPS to check it out and i actually found out that i was pretty low, so it motivated me to revamp my rotation and perform better damage output before. I went from an average of 280 DPS to 400 DPS, I didn't get mad that someone had told me my DPS was low, but rather actually thankful because now i can improve my damage output to it's fullest.

People need to stop saying this is wrong and negative and helps no one. Yet the people who are against it are the very people who complain on the forums about the x amount of bad players and DPS. DPS meters can help DPS perform better because lets face it, no DPS wants to suck at damage as much as a tank wants to suck at tanking or a healer at healing.

[Lemon8or]

I went from an average of 280 DPS to 400 DPS

I and one of my FC member had the same experience. This was in 2.1 before Echo. I used to play safe on Titan EX when I first beat it and was informed that I was only doing 203 DPS at ilevel86 monk. I was shocked and black listed that guy cause well.... I didn't like it. Typical response when someone told you you suck. But instead of going on the forum complaining about it, I looked for ways to improve myself, including reading the monk temple thread thoroughly, test over and over again in Titan EX to see what kinds of limit I have, ask other monks for advice until someone told me I was doing 280 DPS at the same ilevel. See how a meter help?

[Dyne_Fellpool]

Its very easy to see when a tank is doing a poor job.
Its also easy to tell when a healer is doing a poor job.
It can be very difficult to tell which dps is doing poorly when dps checks arent being met. (without parsers)

I dont understand why the first two are okay, but being able to see when a dps isnt playing well is not.

The only possible reason to not want parsers is because you dont want people to know you are playing poorly, and you have no interest in improving. Its ridiculous.
If you arent bad, you have nothing to fear from parsers. If you are bad, parsers can be a huge help for improving -- unless you just dont care in which case the other players depending on you should be able to know that.

Parsers are for gathering data and using it to improve, not for harassing people.
There will always be jerkwads that harass other people, with or without parsers. The thing is, most people dont and wont act this way. The few that do will, as I said, be jerkwads regardless.

This fear of parsers is just silly, I have played mmos with parsers for years and never heard anyone say they need to be removed. What I do see in those games is kudos given to dps that perform extra well, which is something sadly lacking in this game. "Great heals" or "nice tanking", sure, but you can't say "wow nice dps on that!" because omg ssshh! saying you parse can get you suspended!

[Sen_Terrechant]

Im okay with parsers as long as they arent used to harass and/or negatively affect someone else. Will they be used like this? No. Which in that case im okay with reporting people.

As someone doing T8 i rather like my friends parsers, they help me do better :]