DPS meters and why they're necessary

[Malric]

I've already seen problems because of people trying to top meters in this game.

SMN don't want to resurrect because they don't want to use the MP or Swift.

Heals that run OOM because they blew their MP DPSing.

Bards that won't restore MP because it hurts their DPS.

Healers abusing bards that do use it so they can DPS, which basically makes the healer higher on DPS and the bard lower.

DPS in general not allowing tanks to get agro because they think everything's a DPS race.

These things will cause other players to have to work harder while in the end you will look better.

That doesn't make you better, it makes you a douche.

I've already seen this and worse.

I was in a party in DF on Garuda EX some time ago.

There were 4 people in a premade.

I watched them vote kick more than 20 DPS as we eventually hit 50% echo.
I must have been okay on their meter, IDK, but they never said a word, just kicked people.

[SeraviEdalborez]

DPSing without a meter is like driving without a speedometer. You could (I guess), but it makes it awfully hard to see how precise you are.

Just the same, paying too much attention to the speedometer (DPS) and not to the road (fight) leads to accidents (wipes). Good driver pays attention to both. Good raider pays attention to both.

[Malric]

Anyway as I said before, not sure why I'm even talking about this.
It's a meaningless subject as the rules are what they are and I don't see SE changing that ever.
Lots of games don't allow addons, FFXI didn't allow them and it didn't kill anything.

This has become a 18 page & growing thread of people bantering something that none of us have any say over.
People don't change, they just argue.
This thread alone has officially wasted more of my time than DPS meters are even worth.

So please feel free to flame on with whatever meaningless garbage you can come up with knowing I'm done replying and going back to the game.

Just know, it truly is meaningless... the devs know how you feel about DPS meters.
They also know how everyone else feels about them.
And they know what they are and how they work.
They don't care.

SE isn't going to allow them here just like they didn't in FFXI.

Build a bridge and get over it.

[Hiruke]

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SE isn't going to allow them here just like they didn't in FFXI.

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Cool story. So, whenever people don't like something, they should just shut up and accept it? If people did that, we'd all have accepted that FFXIV is complete garbage thanks to 1.0, the game would have died, and no one would have cared. Good argument.

People complaining are how customers inform the business that something isn't right. The business then decides if it makes sense to listen. The business runs the risk of 1) doing something they heard people say they want but is actually a really bad idea that will lose them business and 2) not doing something they heard people say they want and is actually a really good idea but since they refuse to do it people are frustrated and take their business elsewhere. Saying it's stupid to complain is... stupid.

Comparing FFXIV to FFXI is pointless. No one from the FFXI team is on the FFXIV team. SE isn't a big faceless monster. FFXIV is run by humans. Different humans from the ones who run FFXI. Also, FFXI is not exactly a game rife with tight dps checks. You can TOTALLY carry swarms of awful players through EVERY content in the ENTIRE GAME.

That is nowhere close to the reality of FFXIV. Carrying people is undesirable in the extreme. Sometimes it's difficult/impossible. Bad dps is bad, and people need to be aware.

Build a bridge back to reality and stop accepting that everything awful must remain awful forever "just because".

[Pooky_Pasha]

How can you tell wich is better between determination, spell speed or critical? I guess a dps meater was not involver by you or others or your "i'm amazing without a dps meater" is only shit. How can you tell if it's better double flare in t8 even without convert and you get stuck to wait in UI1 or not?

I'm guessing his claims/delusions of grandeur are similar to how an amazing percent of people become "developers" or "game designers" when it suits their argument.

[Exstal]

Then the law needs to be changed. If breaking it regularly is okay, then it's not something to be followed, no?

Cruise control at the speed limit and just enjoy the ride.

Aside: Cruise control is the best invention.

[Atreides]

@LetBloodline
Those are exactly my thoughts, he kept telling people off about parsers and telling them how they are wannabes and how they will never reach his greatness while backing his words up with empty claims of his godlyness in other MMOS he has played in which he has never used a parser.
In my eyes this is nothing but ignorance, he would never know how well he'd perform or whether he is pulling his weight or just doing barely acceptable damage at best.

People don't kick DPS who don't pull their weight left and right without reason, if they perform moderately it's already enough to keep them.
The ones that are getting kicked are mostly not only underperforming but the ones that "bark", underperform and take unnecessary damage at least that is what I do, I don't expect greatness aslong as someone understands his class, role and abilities it's fine.
But when I see a Melee only at the rear of the enemy or only the flank I already know they obviously underperform.
If a BLM is only casting Ice spells, you know he is underperforming.

You don't need a parser for that to know it, so much is true BUT that's exactly what makes the parser necessary, most underperformers don't even know they suck.
You don't have numbers to prove, that their way is the wrong one so they go on the defense, now you have a person with ill feelings towards you because YOU dare to tell them they could perform better!
The same person will go to the forums and call off "Elitists" for using parsers, telling how they are bad for the community and should be banned!
If said person would see his own numbers he would actually know the difference and eventually seek guidance from the person outperforming him by a mile with same or lesser gear. (i.e. 180 vs 320 for example)
We don't want a parser to show everyone how great we are, far from it. We want it so that others can actually improve and seek guidance from more experienced players with numbers to back it up.
Of course there are elitist jerks but there are just as many if not more ignorant jerks who have never used a parser and just say it's the devil and witchcraft and everyone that uses one should be burned on a stake or drowned!

[Malric]

People don't kick DPS who don't pull their weight left and right without reason, if they perform moderately it's already enough to keep them.

First off this is complete and total bull. It's some line of crap people that want their crutch use to say "they are not bad".

It happens all the time. Parsers are bannable and people still use them and for this.

I seen people kicked over it with no explanation after 1 wipe because their DPS was are low.

I've group with people using them, some that I don't like the way they use them and a few that use them for themselves primarily.

The problem is when parsers become allowed and spread, they set the "standards". Kicking people becomes the norm and you can say it doesn't but anyone that has played games like WoW has seen this or they're lying to themselves. I don't even know anyone that hasn't seen this.

tbc

[Malric]

If SE built a parser of sorts into the game that measured / gave feedback to players with even something as simple as low/average/high ratings then sure, I could see it being not too horrible.

However you people want to judge what is good and what sucks by a criteria set by a 3rd party addon that only a small fraction of the game uses and it would not become overwhelmingly adopted if they did allow it. (Most of you that would use them if they were allowed use them now anyway).

If it were built in the game, everyone would be on the same playing field.

As an addon, it's elitest crap and the people using it telling the rest of the game if they're good enough.

Parsers haven't even been in FFXIV that long yet somehow people have been finishing end game content this whole time. How does that make them "Needed"?

Maybe a better suggestion for you all is to ask them to put one into the game rather than allow 3rd party ones. That is the only way I could see them doing any good.

[LetBloodline]

If SE built a parser of sorts into the game that measured / gave feedback to players with even something as simple as low/average/high ratings then sure, I could see it being not too horrible.

However you people want to judge what is good and what sucks by a criteria set by a 3rd party addon that only a small fraction of the game uses and it would not become overwhelmingly adopted if they did allow it. (Most of you that would use them if they were allowed use them now anyway).

If it were built in the game, everyone would be on the same playing field.

As an addon, it's elitest crap and the people using it telling the rest of the game if they're good enough.

Parsers haven't even been in FFXIV that long yet somehow people have been finishing end game content this whole time. How does that make them "Needed"?

Maybe a better suggestion for you all is to ask them to put one into the game rather than allow 3rd party ones. That is the only way I could see them doing any good.

I need build in one, i'm from ps4. We don't want "bah ok use it", we want a good official parser. Anyway parsers are around from 1-2 month since release

Plus, please don't forget to explain how did you choose you BiS equipment in this game. How did you weighted secondary stats without any information gotten out from a parser by you or other people?