I think it is time to admit the obvious - Echo is an insult to the average gamer.

[Sairii]

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Well yeah it is after you got some exp.

Certainly its not fun for the 5 dead people but they had their chance.

I main healer. I ress alot of players in Trials. What happens after ress?
They die to the same stuff again a few minutes later.

I saw the "old" titan hm. It was a mess. I could have killed people for being that stupid.

It is no fun for the dead people because they died.
But it also wouldnt be fun for the players that did their best but still wiped because people died, thus not getting a win. Over and over again.

OLD titan hm: "I am a good player and can do this fight perfectly but cannot get a win because the other players are bad."
New titan hm: "I am a bad player and because im bad I died but its totally unfair that I got the win. Stupid players that gave their best in order to win, why cant we just wipe 100 times?"

[Fawkes]

Well yeah it is after you got some exp.

Certainly its not fun for the 5 dead people but they had their chance.

I main healer. I ress alot of players in Trials. What happens after ress?
They die to the same stuff again a few minutes later.

I saw the "old" titan hm. It was a mess. I could have killed people for being that stupid.

It is no fun for the dead people because they died.
But it also wouldnt be fun for the players that did their best but still wiped because people died, thus not getting a win. Over and over again.

OLD titan hm: "I am a good player and can do this fight perfectly but cannot get a win because the other players are bad."
New titan hm: "I am a bad player and because im bad I died but its totally unfair that I got the win. Stupid players that gave their best in order to win, why cant we just wipe 100 times?"

I can't tell what you are arguing now. First you say you prefer people dying rather than a more informative display of enemy moves, then you say you don't think dying is fun for anyone. You don't want new players to be able to learn and get good, and think they should just be carried through everything? Obviously if they are just dying to the same stuff again they need help learning, why would it be bad for the game to tell them when a landslide is about to come, so maybe they can be ready to dodge?

[Sairii]

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What I´m trying to say is that the removal of echo would be unfair to those that are actually giving their best.

You don´t need anything to tell you whats going to come. You have enough time to react when the landslide appears.
Ofc dying is no fun, but it is even less fun to wipe because someone else made a mistake.

You talk about learning. But a display telling you what move is about to come isn´t going to teach you anything.
Its like the game playing itself. That would be the ultimate insult to every player.

If you are unsatisfied with your own performance and want to learn more than just go in the fight again.
Nothing is hindering you.

But the removal of echo would hinder players that actually give their best.

[Fawkes]

What I´m trying to say is that the removal of echo would be unfair to those that are actually giving their best.

You don´t need anything to tell you whats going to come. You have enough time to react when the landslide appears.
Ofc dying is no fun, but it is even less fun to wipe because someone else made a mistake.

You talk about learning. But a display telling you what move is about to come isn´t going to teach you anything.
Its like the game playing itself. That would be the ultimate insult to every player.

If you are unsatisfied with your own performance and want to learn more than just go in the fight again.
Nothing is hindering you.

But the removal of echo would hinder players that actually give their best.

You have enough time to react. Everyone is not you. All I am saying is give people more warning, that is hardly the game playing itself.

I have gotten good at Titan HM, but I have sympathy for people I see dying in it. Because I know that when you get knocked off you can't learn anything.

Removing the echo hinders no one, because it doesn't help against the mechanics that are the actual problems people have with the fight. It just buffs the players who can already win without the buff. The last time I did it we won in one go with no buff and only half the party alive at the end.