I think it is time to admit the obvious - Echo is an insult to the average gamer.

[Taruranto]

I wouldn't say "get everything", but at least having access to new content without having to deal with outdated content is not bad at all.

It is, get good and learn to finish the older content.

[Alukah]

It is, get good and learn to finish the older content.

What's the point of gating new content behind old content? Just so the elite can wave their epeen even more? Why do you care so much about other people clearing something you probably never do nowadays? If you want a Dark Souls type of game go play Dark Souls.

No i do agree somewhat i mean i myself don't need this buff and i do think they have made some stuff way to easy :P

I love the quote in your signature, and loved the full post even more.

/thumbsup

[Taruranto]

What's the point of gating new content behind old content? Just so the elite can wave their epeen even more? Why do you care so much about other people clearing something you probably never do nowadays? If you want a Dark Souls type of game go play Dark Souls.

What's the point of doing new content when you can't even finish the old one? So the noobs can ruin the fun for those who legitimately finished it with their low skill? Why do you care so much about new content when you can't even finish the old one overgeared? If you can't beat Garuda and Twintania in iLevel100 you think you'll have a shoot at T6 and Levi? If you want WoW, go play WoW.

[Kallera]

What's the point of doing new content when you can't even finish the old one? So the noobs can ruin the fun for those who legitimately finished it with their low skill? Why do you care so much about new content when you can't even finish the old one overgeared? If you can't beat Garuda and Twintania in iLevel100 you think you'll have a shoot at T6 and Levi? If you want WoW, go play WoW.

This attitude is what makes players leave the game. You really don't want this. Players are not a doormat for this sort of behavior. At some point they really will take up the retort. Maybe not for WoW, but EQN, or other games not in the genre.

Because you pride yourself on hitting buttons.

[Kat_Manx]

This attitude is what makes players leave the game. You really don't want this. Players are not a doormat for this sort of behavior. At some point they really will take up the retort. Maybe not for WoW, but EQN, or other games not in the genre.

Because you pride yourself on hitting buttons.

I agree. A group of players with the "holier than thou" attitude who refuse to be nice or helpful and in general just complain about every single thing they can imagine will see more and more people left behind, and even leaving, until one day they will realize they are the only ones left, and that they can't do squat alone anymore.

Besides why is everyone who hasn't beat content a "n00b?" I wasn't a n00b because I didn't beat Titan EX. I just didn't find 7 other people that could do it with me.

"Go to practice parties then!" you will say. Well I did. Problem is if EVERYONE is new in a training party, it rarely made any progress, basically leading to people practicing the exact same part of the fight every time. If you got a tad more experienced player to help, progress actually happened. But then they tend to leave fast, because you know, n00bs.

[Ikeda]

Besides why is everyone who hasn't beat content a "n00b?" I wasn't a n00b because I didn't beat Titan EX. I just didn't find 7 other people that could do it with me.

People don't call you a "n00b" for not completing content. They call you one if you're incapable or outright refuse to learn and improve yourself. The overly easy pre-50 content (and most lvl 50 content) and overemphasis on solo fast leveling is why there's so many "n00bs" at endgame.

[NaliaBrown]

What's the point of doing new content when you can't even finish the old one? So the noobs can ruin the fun for those who legitimately finished it with their low skill? Why do you care so much about new content when you can't even finish the old one overgeared? If you can't beat Garuda and Twintania in iLevel100 you think you'll have a shoot at T6 and Levi? If you want WoW, go play WoW.

I am still struggling with Twintania. I'm not saying I need more echo or anything (I think we are close to beating it - we got closer last night than ever before), but I don't think it should be taken away, either. Content like 1st Coil is old content now, dropping old gear. But I really want to beat it so I can get more of the story. Then I want to start doing 2nd Coil because the story will continue. That's why, even with my low skill level, I want to get past this content. For the story. Everyone who's good is already working on 2nd Coil. That's good for them. By the time I'm getting stuff from 2nd Coil, the next level will probably be out (I expect it will take some time for my group to pass T6, based on how long T5 has taken us) and the good, elite players will already be beyond 2nd Coil gear.