Ramuh: A History and Speculation

[ShackledDreams]

there was an interview when Yoshida basically said that Ramuh would fight because "something" would represent a threat in his eyes.

I think this about sums it up. The Warriors if Light or Defenders of Eorzea have taken down several primals already, most recently being Leviathan, but also Odin who also takes up residence in the Shroud. I think this is as good a reason as any for a Primal to consider the five races to be a threat, but especially those with the Echo. My hope though is that they flesh out the Odin lore a bit more and Ramuh's involvement ends up being more of a territorial reason since Odin resides with the Shroud as well. Maybe showing a rivalry between Primals, but this may simply be wishful thinking on my part.

[gornotck]

I don't see any of the primals as being evil, even with the brainwashing. They simply provide their tribes with the power that they yearn for. Power, without cost, is corrupting.

This corruption makes them more like their Primal, and less like themselves.

The Sylphs, as an example, are described as mischief makers. One and all. Ramuh's influence made their Violet kin isolationist, defensive, and without remorse. They do mischief without mercy, so they often take it too far, all in the name of defending the Sylphlands. They try, even to the point of kidnapping and enslavement, to bring unturned sylphs into the fold, because they're drawn to community as trees and grass to meadows and forests.

This does not make them 'evil'.

[Catapult]

Freedom is the right of all sentient beings

This is a very Limsan perspective.
While they would not explicitly disagree, an Ul'dahn would be more concerned about how the loss of independant thought and judgement inhibits innovation and thus the growth of the economy.
A Gridanian sees this indoctrination as a threat that may bring civil war.

Each for their own reasons, they see the tempering as a problem.

[DoctaruRavenbe]

Its also a Cybertronain perspective.

[Darske]

I like the idea tha Ramuh might view the Echo as a threat. It would certainly keep in line with the trend of recent plot revealing more and more about the Echo to us.

I think it's also possible that those pesky Garleans will set him off somehow. They're certainly already invading his domain, and who knows whether or not Ramuh will descriminate where he throws his levin fury?

But if we do have some dialogue with Ramuh before he becomes a threat, or after defeating him, I would really love it. In my opinion, one of the best scenes in the 1.0 plot was conversing with Ifrit. Not even fighting him, but just having this extremely powerful and fearsome creature deliver some plot to you before telling you to get off his lawn before he roasts you alive. Something akin to that with Ramuh would be an even more powerful experience now, since we've only seen primals as enemies to this point.

[Phyllo]

Snip.

No no aside from that decision, when you're with one of the sylph, the elder if my memory's not that crappy, he clearly tell you that when they summoned Ramuh, he refused to take actions, telling them not to attack but to protect themselves, that's why sylph don't attack you (in cutscenes I mean) and only stay in their territory.

Look for the cutscenes during the sylph refugee camp arc and you'll see, I may not remember the exact reason why he refused to attack but I do remember that he did because it made me laugh how his words seemed to me like he was saying "let's not waste time on trash like these, let em kill each other u_u"
Tho it is possible that I misunderstood something, in that case nevermind ^^'''

[Brine_Gildchaff]

I think it's also possible that those pesky Garleans will set him off somehow. They're certainly already invading his domain, and who knows whether or not Ramuh will descriminate where he throws his levin fury?

The remaining Garleans in Eorzea have other things to worry about than doing things that will make a primal want to step on them, frankly. Their entire chain of command is utterly annihilated, the only guy left of that chain is too busy watching NOAH, cackling to himself, and basically trying to be a Bond villain, and there's zero help coming from the main body since their very presence in Eorzea is against imperial decree. So I sort of doubt that the Garleans are going to be involved in this mess.

[Phyllo]

The remaining Garleans in Eorzea have other things to worry about than doing things that will make a primal want to step on them, frankly. Their entire chain of command is utterly annihilated, the only guy left of that chain is too busy watching NOAH, cackling to himself, and basically trying to be a Bond villain, and there's zero help coming from the main body since their very presence in Eorzea is against imperial decree. So I sort of doubt that the Garleans are going to be involved in this mess.

What if they wanted to retreat back to garlemald? They have to go through the shroud to do so, more precisely to go dangerously near the sylph territory (the path with the magitech armor fate) so they may indeed do something stupid while fleeing

[Enkidoh]

The thing is, the Garleans have already seen to it that the damage is done in regards to Ramuh even before the Calamity - the first story mission the player was sent on by Minfilia in version 1.0 specifically involved this. The player actually sees Garlean Juggernauts storming Moonspore Grove and the player is tasked by the sylphs to rescue their 'podlings' from the Grove before Garlean soldiers can destroy them.

The sylphs hate and fear the 'metal ones' enough as it is, and in fact it was effectively the reason why Ramuh was summoned in the first place - the actions of the Garleans against the Black Shroud pushed some sylphs beyond breaking point and violated their previous 'no summoning' pact to summon Ramuh, and the result was the schism in sylvan society between the purple 'touched' variety and the 'free' sylphs who fled to Little Solace.

So yes, there is definitely precedent for the Garleans to be the reason for the resummoning of Ramuh again (and the result of the player fitting into their 'eikon-slayer' reputation and being called upon to take him down. ).

[Phyllo]

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Ah yes this I remember, that coward archer lalafell comrade who kept asking to flee while the sylph ask for help u_u...

Ah then maybe the scene I'm talking about was in 1.0 o.O, god my memory is so f*cked up if it's the case >_<