I just wanted to point out a double standard...

[Althea]

Are you new to the MMO community? There is no might be, it's will be and it will be frequent. I've seen it plenty of times before SE officially gave word about parsers, early on people were verbally abusing other players right and left without abandon.

However, while I've never been on the receiving end of this abuse I hate to see it happen. People forget we are playing a game and let their emotions get the better of them.

It's funny you say that. I play WoW where everyone has a meter, and I see less elitism overall there than I do here.

[Wobi]

It's funny you say that. I play WoW where everyone has a meter, and I see less elitism overall there than I do here.

So if the FFXIV community has already proven themselves incapable of properly using 3rd party DPS meters why are we promoting them again? I'm all for helping out my fellow player play better but I've never seen them used to positive effect. Just gives the vitriolic players in the community more ammo at their disposal.

[ispano]

So if the FFXIV community has already proven themselves incapable of properly using 3rd party DPS meters why are we promoting them again? I'm all for helping out my fellow player play better but I've never seen them used to positive effect. Just gives the vitriolic players in the community more ammo at their disposal.

And yet, in my years of MMO experience, this group is far smaller than made out to be by people like you. But here, i'll do one better. You say you've never seen them to positive effect, then I'd say you haven't looked. Yes, i've seen people use them to harass, not many, but I've seen it. I've also seen them used to help people improve. And this is the thing, giving them more ammo isn't going to make more of them. The people who are determined to be like that are ALREADY doing it. It's not going to suddenly change more people into asshats.

What you're saying is that it would never be used for good reasons, simply because you've never seen it. Now why haven't you seen it? Maybe you never played those games? Maybe never played with those people in this game? Maybe you intentionally ignored the good uses? I don't know which, but that doesn't mean it's non existent.

It's a matter of wording. Tell them that they're doing bad DPS because you see them having big delays in attacks, bad positioning, etc. Never mention exact DPS count since people will assume that you're using a parser.

It's another story though if you have an IQ of 1000 and can add a player's damage as they come out in the battle log...

The problem is that the combat log has a limit. Even in medium length fights you will lose information as it reaches the cap, and the text logs the game saves are a jumbled mess to the human eye.