SMN a use for ifrit...

[Huntington]

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This interests me on something actually. If they're going to take a look at Garuda later on and see how they can make it so that she is not the go-to pet at all times, Pet Switching might be an effective way to spice up the class. As for the Enkindle start you're talking about, I'm curious to try something like what you said.


1. Summon Ifrit.
2. Buff him with Rouse and Spur, send him in with Enkindle and hit as many enemies as you can with it.
3. Swiftcast in Garuda on Obey, have your three main DoTs up by this point.
4. Contagion and Bane them with an additional HQ Potent Poisoning Potion, while Inferno's DoT is still up. (Can Contagion extend Ifrit's DoT from Inferno? Or does it count as your pet's and not yours so it won't?)
5. Watch the devastation on the targets.

If we will be getting Leviathan and Ramuh soon with the level increase, which is pretty much guaranteed really eventually, there could be an action that increases our damage for switching between our pets during combat. Once they separate the cooldown times for each pet's actions, switching your pets around during combat could make things pretty interesting.

[Dwill]

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I mean, you use what works for you but the most optimal rotation number wise:

Before pull: RS + Int Pot
At pull: Bio 2 -> Miasma -> Bio -> Fester -> Miasma II (Queue Contagion as you Miasma)-> Swiftcast -> Shadowflare -> Rouse -> Ruin II -> Spur -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Enkindle -> Ruin -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Aetherflow

Since Enkindle is so far down and Swiftcast as been used, it is a DPS lost to have Ifrit for Inferno.

[Nux]

I mean, you use what works for you but the most optimal rotation number wise:

Before pull: RS + Int Pot
At pull: Bio 2 -> Miasma -> Bio -> Fester -> Miasma II (Queue Contagion as you Miasma)-> Swiftcast -> Shadowflare -> Rouse -> Ruin II -> Spur -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Enkindle -> Ruin -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Aetherflow

Since Enkindle is so far down and Swiftcast as been used, it is a DPS lost to have Ifrit for Inferno.

isnt it better to place 3 main dots before using rs+int ? since you can use fester twice with both RS+int up, then reapply the dots again.

[Dwill]

reapplying DoTs is gonna be a DPS loss since you can already get 2 RS+Int Pot Fester in thre and 1 unbuffed Fester all in the same row of DoTs.

[SuperSalty]

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No Contagion does not extend out the DoT period of Ifrits Inferno unfortunately.
Also Never RS+Int (RS/Int doesnt affect your Pets DPS because of Rouse/Spur) before a pull, Thats a waist of RS time.

<-within the RS countdown->
What I do at the pull is: Rouse+Spur+Enkindle. RS+Pot, Bio 2 -> Miasma. (fester- Because an Enhanced 200 is better then 150 and to get it back on GC before RS runs out) Bio -> Energydrain -> Miasma 2 -> SC(Garuda) Obey -> Contagion. Fester, Shadow Flare. And any Ruins and additional drains (If you have another AF stack) you can get in before your RS drops. <-End RS-> Then back to the usual.

Yeah its alot to cram in there but when done correctly, It adds upto amazing. Sometimes though depending on how on the money you are you may or may not actually get the enhanced SF off intime. Which if thats the case than you'll barely break over even above the standard rotation But you should still be doing alittle more then the average. Timing and skill is paramount in getting this off with out a hitch. It even took me some practice to fire off properly with out a hitch. Again never use this in the middle of a fight. atleast until some one can craft a better way of doing this mid battle.

[Dwill]

<-within the RS countdown->
What I do at the pull is: Rouse+Spur+Enkindle. RS+Pot, Bio 2 -> Miasma. (fester- Because an Enhanced 200 is better then 150 and to get it back on GC before RS runs out) Bio -> Energydrain -> Miasma 2 -> SC(Garuda) Obey -> Contagion. Fester, Shadow Flare. And any Ruins and additional drains (If you have another AF stack) you can get in before your RS drops. <-End RS-> Then back to the usual.

Not optimal and no offense but actually pretty subpar. This the best rotation number wise, feel free to math out both yours and mine if you do not believe it.

Before pull: RS + Int Pot
At pull: Bio 2 -> Miasma -> Bio -> Fester -> Miasma II (Queue Contagion as you Miasma)-> Swiftcast -> Shadowflare -> Rouse -> Ruin II -> Spur -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Enkindle -> Ruin -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Aetherflow

[sackm]

Garuda's attacks are buffed by Foe Requiem as well. It really isn't up for discussion, Garuda is just straight up better in every situation.

[Dwill]

Garuda's attacks are buffed by Foe Requiem as well. It really isn't up for discussion, Garuda is just straight up better in every situation.

Exactly, it's as simple as that.

[tOnni3]

In static fight like T8, I find dps is equal when using Ifrit-Egi or Garuda-Egi, (34X)
but I can leave Ifrit-Egi on Sic while I have to do near perfect rotation on using Garuda-Egi
(need to hold RS quite sometime until 2 x Festers and Contagion up).

But Ifrit-Egi clearly wins if WAR or MNK (or both) present on the fight due to slash and blunt damage buff. (+10 dps per each job presented)

It's my experiment but may be due to I am suck using Garuda-Egi

[SuperSalty]

And so are Ifrits. I think you guys are missing the point, the fact that ifrit is out only 10 seconds with in a 20 second/tic window and not for the remainder of the fight. but with in a 10-20 second window ifrit pulls ahead. not by much, but he does. (Reconfirmed after more testing).
Ifrit does 6-7 Auto attacks at 120 potency. at a total of 720(rounded to 6) with in the 20second RS duration.
Garuda does 7 Auto attacks at 100 potency at a total of 700.
I 360 Vs G 350 when cut in half or 710 when used with in the same duration.
Ifrit does 500 potency with 5 strikes after enkindle in the same 20tic window at 600. 1.1k total
Garuda does 250(? according to the tool tip, I thought it was 300?) and 6 strikes at 600. 1050 total.

and to top it off you still get Garuda's contagion to go with your Enhanced dots along with an Enhanced SF if you swap at 10 seconds(tics).

@Dwill
As far as using Rouse and Spur Mid rotation. "Why?" that reduces the number of times you can use them in a fight. Same with Enkindle. over ten minutes I can use my Enkindle twice to your once.
You also recommended using RS pre-pull which is a waist of RS time. Im not saying I know best. But common sense sort of states the obvious.