SMN a use for ifrit...

[kujowaltz]

Hey there, so I'm nearing 50 for my SMN and fully aware now of garuda's contagion benefits. However, I still see a use for Ifrit.

I've been playing around with the rotation of applying my 4 dots, rouse, spur, rs, then contagion and swiftcast summoning ifrit. When there is AOE I raise radiant shield. Once the contagion dots are down, I reapply dots giving me another 18 seconds with Ifrit before Bio is up. I start reapplying my dots, swiftcasting garuda in the Bio cooldown. Once I finish Miasma 2 (all 4 are up), I use contagion again. Thoughts?

Keeping in mind, this is for optimal and extended burn phases.

Radiant shield is not for countering direct attacks imo, its for countering indirect aoe's while fighting near the mob, and it frustrates me when people trash radiant shield. Also, why not have Ifrit up during small trash mobs? The bonus 20 seconds contagion provides won't matter if the mob dies in 15 seconds

[Dwill]

This is useful for really short fights because Swiftcasting Summons like that is gonna hit your MP pool extremely hard.

Ifrit has uses on encounters where Contagion is gonna be wasted, (things dying too fast, lots of phase changes, E.G: Last boss of Brayfllox HM) and where movement is minimal.

[kujowaltz]

yeah exactly...it's not useful all the time but there are a reasonable amount of instances that it is. I'm just sick of ilvl 100 players lecturing that I should never use Ifrit and to stick with Garuda all the time. It's lazy. Hell you could try it in t2....maybe it would give that extra push during enrage? People need to ease up on ol' Ifrit

[Danbo05]

yeah exactly...it's not useful all the time but there are a reasonable amount of instances that it is. I'm just sick of ilvl 100 players lecturing that I should never use Ifrit and to stick with Garuda all the time. It's lazy. Hell you could try it in t2....maybe it would give that extra push during enrage? People need to ease up on ol' Ifrit

Actually in T2, it'd be more preferrable to use Titan Egi because its the more durable of the 2, and won't drop like a fly 10 seconds into the fight.

[kujowaltz]

Actually in T2, it'd be more preferrable to use Titan Egi because its the more durable of the 2, and won't drop like a fly 10 seconds into the fight.

Mmmmmmmm makes sense....I'm still trying to switch out of my BLM mindframe

[Nanaho]

Actually in T2, it'd be more preferrable to use Titan Egi because its the more durable of the 2, and won't drop like a fly 10 seconds into the fight.

With the Recent Echo buff on Pet's this isnt an issue anymore, my SMN was only i73 last time i tried T2, and it didnt have any issues surviving with its HP, which i think ifrit had like 4700ish?

[Alistaire]

This is useful for really short fights because Swiftcasting Summons like that is gonna hit your MP pool extremely hard.

Ifrit has uses on encounters where Contagion is gonna be wasted, (things dying too fast, lots of phase changes, E.G: Last boss of Brayfllox HM) and where movement is minimal.

Ifrit has other problems that aren't related to contagion and you'd never notice without a stopwatch. He attacks slower, and of course there's the delay in him moving + the inherent danger from aoe. All part of why he's getting boosted.

[Dwill]

Ifrit has other problems that aren't related to contagion and you'd never notice without a stopwatch. He attacks slower, and of course there's the delay in him moving + the inherent danger from aoe. All part of why he's getting boosted.

That is indeed correct. In minimal movement fights and no Contagion, he still attacks slower due to the 0.5(iirc) hidden gcd timer so it makes him unable to queue a second attack before the first one finishes. If you parse him with Garuda on a dummy while not using Contagion though, you'll see the difference is <1% so having to move between target and Garuda's contagion are really what sets him back.

[Itseotle]

E.G: Last boss of Brayfllox HM

DoTs continue to tick after the boss cannot be targeted. The same applies to Ifrit/Titan/Garuda/Leviathan Jumps and Twintania Divebombs.

[Dwill]

DoTs continue to tick after the boss cannot be targeted. The same applies to Ifrit/Titan/Garuda/Leviathan Jumps and Twintania Divebombs.

They continue to tick yet inflict no damage. Quite a few times I've seen him with a full row of DoTs go in the last phase with the big bombs, havinga sliver of health and not dying. lThe only boss I've seen being untargetable with DoTs still doing damage was Isgebind from Stone Vigil.