SMN a use for ifrit...

[SuperSalty]

the only thing, Outside of mass AoE situations to actually use Ifrit is simply for Pet buffs - Enkindle (total potency of after DoT 450). Giving Ifrit the highest DPS of the three in that given time before the dot/ Buffs wear off. Then Its simply time to SC-Garuda back intime to chuck out contagion. Yeah its abit MP heavy but its is the best way- Damage wise to start a fight. or the best way that Ive found over all.

[Dwill]

the only thing, Outside of mass AoE situations to actually use Ifrit is simply for Pet buffs - Enkindle (total potency of after DoT 450). Giving Ifrit the highest DPS of the three in that given time before the dot/ Buffs wear off. Then Its simply time to SC-Garuda back intime to chuck out contagion. Yeah its abit MP heavy but its is the best way- Damage wise to start a fight. or the best way that Ive found over all.

Doing all that is actually a significant damage lose.

Fully buffed Inferno is 450 and fully buffed Aerial Blast is 375.

75 potency difference for quite a few GCD lost and SC becomes unavailable for Shadowflare.

Not worth it.

[SuperSalty]

Really Because Ive noticed about a 40-100 DPS increase upon using that at the start of a fight during that duration. And the only GDC that is lost is Swiftcast. you still get a fully RS buffed contagion, Fester/Drain/fester and the usual Ruin filler spam. Even if it was a "Loss" I doubt it would be very significant at all, As Miasma 2 Is more then Adequate to cover down for SF in a buffed state before you slowcast. My FC along with myself did some numbers among several of us Main SMN's compared several different starting rotations, to include the above standard so far the method I provided above won out, Either by alot or by a small margin. Im going to say it all comes down to how the player behaves in that first 30 seconds. However.. Its only a starter, Certainly not recomended for use mid-fight as then you will actually lose DPS and Mp based on a number of reasons.

[Dwill]

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I mean, you use what works for you but the most optimal rotation number wise:

Before pull: RS + Int Pot
At pull: Bio 2 -> Miasma -> Bio -> Fester -> Miasma II (Queue Contagion as you Miasma)-> Swiftcast -> Shadowflare -> Rouse -> Ruin II -> Spur -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Enkindle -> Ruin -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Aetherflow

Since Enkindle is so far down and Swiftcast as been used, it is a DPS lost to have Ifrit for Inferno.

[Nux]

I mean, you use what works for you but the most optimal rotation number wise:

Before pull: RS + Int Pot
At pull: Bio 2 -> Miasma -> Bio -> Fester -> Miasma II (Queue Contagion as you Miasma)-> Swiftcast -> Shadowflare -> Rouse -> Ruin II -> Spur -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Enkindle -> Ruin -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Aetherflow

Since Enkindle is so far down and Swiftcast as been used, it is a DPS lost to have Ifrit for Inferno.

isnt it better to place 3 main dots before using rs+int ? since you can use fester twice with both RS+int up, then reapply the dots again.

[Huntington]

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This interests me on something actually. If they're going to take a look at Garuda later on and see how they can make it so that she is not the go-to pet at all times, Pet Switching might be an effective way to spice up the class. As for the Enkindle start you're talking about, I'm curious to try something like what you said.


1. Summon Ifrit.
2. Buff him with Rouse and Spur, send him in with Enkindle and hit as many enemies as you can with it.
3. Swiftcast in Garuda on Obey, have your three main DoTs up by this point.
4. Contagion and Bane them with an additional HQ Potent Poisoning Potion, while Inferno's DoT is still up. (Can Contagion extend Ifrit's DoT from Inferno? Or does it count as your pet's and not yours so it won't?)
5. Watch the devastation on the targets.

If we will be getting Leviathan and Ramuh soon with the level increase, which is pretty much guaranteed really eventually, there could be an action that increases our damage for switching between our pets during combat. Once they separate the cooldown times for each pet's actions, switching your pets around during combat could make things pretty interesting.

[SuperSalty]

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No Contagion does not extend out the DoT period of Ifrits Inferno unfortunately.
Also Never RS+Int (RS/Int doesnt affect your Pets DPS because of Rouse/Spur) before a pull, Thats a waist of RS time.

<-within the RS countdown->
What I do at the pull is: Rouse+Spur+Enkindle. RS+Pot, Bio 2 -> Miasma. (fester- Because an Enhanced 200 is better then 150 and to get it back on GC before RS runs out) Bio -> Energydrain -> Miasma 2 -> SC(Garuda) Obey -> Contagion. Fester, Shadow Flare. And any Ruins and additional drains (If you have another AF stack) you can get in before your RS drops. <-End RS-> Then back to the usual.

Yeah its alot to cram in there but when done correctly, It adds upto amazing. Sometimes though depending on how on the money you are you may or may not actually get the enhanced SF off intime. Which if thats the case than you'll barely break over even above the standard rotation But you should still be doing alittle more then the average. Timing and skill is paramount in getting this off with out a hitch. It even took me some practice to fire off properly with out a hitch. Again never use this in the middle of a fight. atleast until some one can craft a better way of doing this mid battle.

[Dwill]

<-within the RS countdown->
What I do at the pull is: Rouse+Spur+Enkindle. RS+Pot, Bio 2 -> Miasma. (fester- Because an Enhanced 200 is better then 150 and to get it back on GC before RS runs out) Bio -> Energydrain -> Miasma 2 -> SC(Garuda) Obey -> Contagion. Fester, Shadow Flare. And any Ruins and additional drains (If you have another AF stack) you can get in before your RS drops. <-End RS-> Then back to the usual.

Not optimal and no offense but actually pretty subpar. This the best rotation number wise, feel free to math out both yours and mine if you do not believe it.

Before pull: RS + Int Pot
At pull: Bio 2 -> Miasma -> Bio -> Fester -> Miasma II (Queue Contagion as you Miasma)-> Swiftcast -> Shadowflare -> Rouse -> Ruin II -> Spur -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Enkindle -> Ruin -> Ruin -> Ruin II -> Fester -> Ruin II -> Aetherflow

[kujowaltz]

This interests me on something actually. If they're going to take a look at Garuda later on and see how they can make it so that she is not the go-to pet at all times, Pet Switching might be an effective way to spice up the class....Once they separate the cooldown times for each pet's actions, switching your pets around during combat could make things pretty interesting.

Wow thank you, finally someone understands the point of my OP.

Allowing CDs on separate enkindle skills, making summon an aetherflow skill(removing mana cost) and using the benefits of multiple summons per dungeon instead of flat lining with one would be great. could you imagine a triple enkindle, during a rouse/spur/rs fester burn phase? makes my heart flutter