NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Omegakiyohime]

Can we just settle on the fact that everything we know about Rogue/Ninja/Thief is incredibly vague and can be twisted to support whatever fantasy you want it to fit? This is probably the 6th time this argument has flared up. Hopefully, they will clarify this during the first 2.4 live letter or hopefully, way before then.

[Wilhem]

What I don't understand is what this obsession with the name "Thief"? Whats the difference with a FFXI Thief and a FFXIV Rogue? Because right know all I see is people complaining of not getting Thief while Rogue seems pretty much the same to me.

[ZReport]

What I don't understand is what this obsession with the name "Thief"? Whats the difference with a FFXI Thief and a FFXIV Rogue? Because right know all I see is people complaining of not getting Thief while Rogue seems pretty much the same to me.

Thief is an iconic job/profession/archetype in previous Final Fantasy games. The name has been tied to the role of a thief and thievery for over 10 FF titles. It's really that simple. The Japanese description for Rogue labels them as "Dual Fencers" as well, not thieves. Hence the obsession.

[Bigpurpleharness]

What I don't understand is what this obsession with the name "Thief"? Whats the difference with a FFXI Thief and a FFXIV Rogue? Because right know all I see is people complaining of not getting Thief while Rogue seems pretty much the same to me.

The ability to play it at endgame, for the very starters. Seems like many iconic Thief abilities won't be included. It's not the same if you've ever played previous FFs. Definitely nowhere near as close as Marauder >> Warrior/Fighter.

[Exstal]

Steal, Mug and Flee?

[Bigpurpleharness]

Steal, Mug and Flee?

Steal is a huge branch onto itself, then there's yokodama and hate control. That's also excluding all of the MMO specific things they could add that's new like they've done for every job, as both points have been explained multiple times.

[Exstal]

It can't be iconic if it was only in a single game.

[Mcshiggs]

It can't be iconic if it was only in a single game.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Thief_(Job) You can see here that thief has not only been in Final Fantasy since the original, it has appeared in many more games.

[Exstal]

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Thief_(Job) You can see here that thief has not only been in Final Fantasy since the original, it has appeared in many more games.

The ability to play it at endgame, for the very starters. Seems like many iconic Thief abilities won't be included. It's not the same if you've ever played previous FFs. Definitely nowhere near as close as Marauder >> Warrior/Fighter.

Steal is a huge branch onto itself, then there's yokodama and hate control. That's also excluding all of the MMO specific things they could add that's new like they've done for every job, as both points have been explained multiple times.

Yokodama and hate control was only in FFXI. Hence my statement is fully justified.

[Mcshiggs]

Yokodama and hate control was only in FFXI. Hence my statement is fully justified.

The benefit of a thief in early final fantasies was flee, letting the party escape from battle, which is kind of an aggro dump mechanic if you think about it, XI took it a little further, they had flee as a personal sprint, but added in aggro redirection mechanics, but still in a way they are getting folks out of trouble just like in the original.