NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Monsalvato]

With all respect, where's the difference?

It would be like saying "hey you don't need RDM, want a debuffer? You got Arcanist! What's the difference between Arcanist and RDM?!" I'm stretching it of course, it's just an example.

The main differences would be that:
1) Nobody would use Rogue past level 30 (if things stay as they are now)
2) Rogue would have nothing "unique" compared to NIN (aside from larger customizability from cross-actions)
3) Rogue would have no AF (iconic aspect of FF games)
4) Rogue would have no Relic
5) Rogue would be called... Rogue, and not Thief. (which is one of the many reasons why Yoshi-P introduced Jobs instead of just tweaking the already existing Classes back in 1.0)

So basically, while it's not my case, if you were a player willing to play the Thief job, you'd be left with no options but Ninja, because clearly you don't expect people to play Rogue at level 50 and do content as Rogue?

[Jandor]

Thief speculation is pretty pointless until we know how the Rogue plays, but it's definitely not impossible.
A thief with steal and mug being used to fuel mix (which could open up a pet style hotbar with different potion options on it) could be both useful and fun.

[Bigpurpleharness]

"someone disagrees with me, clearly they are trolling"

I cant decide who is worse right now, the people crying because their desired class wasn't announced just this second, or those who are crying because theirs was but not to the minute detail they wanted.

EDIT Because 'lol daily post limit'

Lets look at this realistically here, there is 0 reason to think that rogue wont get Thief skills like treasure hunter, steal, mug, trick and sneak attack. If anyone should be pissed here, its those who wanted ninja, because really its just a thief with 5 ninja skills of questionable usefulness (looking at you blm and brd)

He's saying you're trolling because it seems like you are literally reading half of what people post, moving goal posts in your arguments and cherry picking what people are saying. It seems like you're arguing for the sake of arguing, because no one who can play an MMO can have reading comprehension THAT poor.

[Yamimarik]

Just heard from someone on my server that NIN would be sharing gear from DRG/MNK is this true? I'm having a hard time believing this was announced already, has it? if so where can I read/watch up on it. Thanks if anyone knows.

[Adrian74]

But then it's that, the difference is only that one would be class and another one job... (And classes right now are useless)

[Omegakiyohime]

Just heard from someone on my server that NIN would be sharing gear from DRG/MNK is this true? I'm having a hard time believing this was announced already, has it? if so where can I read/watch up on it. Thanks if anyone knows.

http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2014/...sses-and-more/

Massively just posted an article in which they asked Yoshi the question about Rog/NIN gear. His answer was "First off, because the class is going to be a melee DPS-type class, that gear that you have for other melee DPS classes and jobs is probably something that you'll want to hold on to."

So it seems like they will be sharing gear with either mnk or drg.

[Nalien]

So it seems like they will be sharing gear with either mnk or drg.

Can we just rule out Dragoon, seeing as Monk and Dragoon don't even share gear (ignoring accessories)?

I mean, if Ninja wears the Onion set instead of Fuma, someone at SE is a massive troll.

[Adrian74]

Just heard from someone on my server that NIN would be sharing gear from DRG/MNK is this true? I'm having a hard time believing this was announced already, has it? if so where can I read/watch up on it. Thanks if anyone knows.

I bet it would be either DRG, MONK or ... even BARD!!... Depending of how the class -job will be... (If relying in Dex or not...)

Tanks and healers already can share their soldiery gear... The same with casters.. Only ones that can't share a gear with others are Bard, Monk and Dragoon.



BTW... Didn't anyone notice something?.... Roghe/Thief, whatever, the class, appears in the video with its OWN costume... I don't recall any other classes having their own... It seems like if it would be their own AF.. (Like Ninja also appears with one)

It would be a little weird if they'd add just a gear for just a class and just for vanity purposes?... So maybe... There will be some job after all?.. Or maybe classes will have some utiity in 2.4 and their own gears.

[Yamimarik]

http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2014/...sses-and-more/

Massively just posted an article in which they asked Yoshi the question about Rog/NIN gear. His answer was "First off, because the class is going to be a melee DPS-type class, that gear that you have for other melee DPS classes and jobs is probably something that you'll want to hold on to."

So it seems like they will be sharing gear with either mnk or drg.

Tyvm kind sir ^^

[Kitru]

Plenty of people suggest Ranger should come off Archer, when they do people don't claim that "Bard is just Ranger with Songs", or that Archer is already Ranger.

Actually, almost everyone that facepalms at the idea of implementing RNG as a second job off of ARC, it gets brought up *all the time* that ARC is already RNG. The 2 trademark abilities that RNG has had are Barrage and Aim. ARC explicitly *gets* Barrage and Hawk's Eye is Aim (short duration, increased damage, cannot miss).

Furthermore, those of us that get aggravated about the THF fanbois insisting that THF should be brought into game and/or that it will be brought into game it's basically because you're asking for the developers to waste development resources.

Consider this: the only possible role for THF to fill within the confines of the trinity is DPS (Support isn't a role, it's a subrole; with the hypothetical hybrid role, how does THF get interpreted as either healer *or* tank without stretching the entire theme to the point of incredulity?). NIN is already a DPS and jobs only bring 5 abilities so any other DPS built off of ROG would play just like NIN (because NIN already plays like ROG with a slight modification).

Adding THF to ROG as a second job is basically wasted development resources because it's not *adding* anything to the game: THF would still play *just* like NIN with a few *tiny* differences (you now use Steal to get a job specific resource to fuel special attacks instead of using mudras). The only major difference would be that it's called THF instead of NIN and has a different look (90+% of a class/job's functionality is derived from the class, not the job).

As to people thinking that THF would bring "useful" abilities like enmity management or loot acquisition mechanisms, neither of those are going to be brought in because the first is completely and totally worthless (the state of enmity generation currently in game is more than enough; the only thing a "trick shot" style enmity transfer would do is give THF a massively powerful trolling tool) and the second would either make THF required for doing *anything* (if it increases drop rate on rare stuff) or turn said attribute be completely and totally worthless piece of fluff (possibly a small economic advantage; it's not going to be an appreciable economic advantage because you'd be giving a significant economic advantage to a single combat class when the economic advantages are supposed to be DoL/DoH based since that's what they're there for).

To the people that seriously want to see THF brought in as a job, I challenge you (the "THF can will be a job" people) to come up with 5 *useful* abilities that would not be absolutely positively broken while simultaneously explaining how those 5 abilities (and just those 5 abilities; saying that a whole slew of class abilities will be entirely rewritten when you swap to said job is just saying admitting that you can't change the playstyle with just a job) will completely and totally change how a class plays when it converts over to a job (and you cannot simply put together 5 attacks that replace the ones the class gets; the devs are correcting the unintentionally unused abilities so designing a class that *purposefully* renders a large number of abilities from the base class useless is just inane).

"Changing how the class plays" doesn't just mean "I added an attack"; it means making it so that the base class goes from playing like LNC to playing like PUG or from SMN to BLM (e.g. it is a recognizably different *playstyle*). DRG adds the jumps, but it is still fundamentally LNC. WAR adds the Wrath stuff, but it plays *exactly* like MRD 90% of the time. PLD plays exactly like GLA. All of the jobs (with the exception of SCH because it's a completely different role that uses a completely different suite of abilities) are simply a small set of bonus conditional options (or abilities that are used but do not interfere with the existing playstyle). If you honestly think that THF can coexist with NIN as a ROG job, come up with some way for it to coexist rather than co-opt it.