NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Deusteele]

You do understand that THF, if implemented, would never be given skills or traits that would give them a monetary advantage?

Even beyond that, THF is a very weak job in Final Fantasy. The Tactic's series gave them the ability to steal everything but a targets underclothes to grant them anything like a full skill suite. Of the 6 (Edge, Locke, Yuffie, Zidane, Rikku, and Vaan) characters that were had Steal baseline within the core series, 2 of them Edge and Yuffie were ninja's anyway. 2 more Zidane and Vaan were closer to being a Warrior with steal then pure Thief. Leaving us with 1 pure thief (Locke).

[LoLo]

You do understand that THF, if implemented, would never be given skills or traits that would give them a monetary advantage?

Even beyond that, THF is a very weak job in Final Fantasy. The Tactic's series gave them the ability to steal everything but a targets underclothes to grant them anything like a full skill suite. Of the 6 (Edge, Locke, Yuffie, Zidane, Rikku, and Vaan) characters that were had Steal baseline within the core series, 2 of them Edge and Yuffie were ninja's anyway. 2 more Zidane and Vaan were closer to being a Warrior with steal then pure Thief. Leaving us with 1 pure thief (Locke).

I don't think Thief is a weak job. Warrior is always changing throughout the series and it never gave me an impression that it was weak.

No, but we also only have one class that has two Jobs, and those Jobs are practically diametrically opposed (arcanist/Scholar, Summoner). The precedent is there, and it really doesn't make much sense, either, to have the Jobs of a particular class fulfill the same role. It forces a choice between one or the other in a game that's all about choice.

Having additional choices makes sense to me in a MMO.

[Danko]

You do understand that THF, if implemented, would never be given skills or traits that would give them a monetary advantage?

In MMO's I agree that monetary gain abilities can and should be kept in check but there are a great number of battle applications for steal across the franchise.

Even beyond that, THF is a very weak job in Final Fantasy

This is actually not true. Aside from the characters you mentioned, Thief in SE's other FF MMO, FFXI, was arguably the highest and most useful DPS for a long period of time in the game's early life. There were HUGE rewards for making SATA lines and closing skill chains relative to what other DPS were capable of at the time (Before they added a ridiculous amount of haste sources and Buffs to stack that ruined all their intended metagame).

It wasn't until the game evolved away from SATA lines and Skillchains that THF was left behind as a heavy hitter. As soon as TP burn parties and even non tank groups became more efficient than the traditional groups of its early years, there was no point to Thief's mechanics.

[Mortechai]

There's a bit of confusion. Are Rogue and Ninja different classes, or Jobs from the same class (Thief?)
Surely it's not that class is Rogue and job is Ninja..

How did you miss that this is the case? It's plainly said(In the videos that were linked, and on the lodestone page. I'm not quoting them for you) that Rogue is the class and Ninja is it's Job.

[Rysir]

A shame that dual wield cant exist in this game, would have been fun watching offtank paladins dual wielding and going nuts on a boss. But this does look fun!

[Nalien]

Are people really still saying Thief can't happen in XIV, when the Bard we have is... Well, not Bard? Three Songs doesn't make a Bard, it makes it a DPS with Songs. Thief would be exactly the same, for better or for worse.

Just mix it with Chemist (Rikku says hi) so we can have a proper Mix system in the game, because if we get Chemist it'll work like Archer, having a magically infinite pool of potions. Mix it with Thief though? Steal steals reagents from enemies, Mix mixes them together and then you use them. Then just throw in the enmity management XI tried for and you can easily go about adding new abilities, just like Bard they wouldn't all have to fit the Job either, unless you're telling me Rain of Death is a spoony ability?

Instead of saying "Thief wont happen", say "I can't imagine Thief happening", because that's what you really mean.

[Kinseykinz]

Just mix it with Chemist (Rikku says hi) so we can have a proper Mix system in the game, because if we get Chemist it'll work like Archer, having a magically infinite pool of potions. Mix it with Thief though? Steal steals reagents from enemies, Mix mixes them together and then you use them. Then just throw in the enmity management XI tried for and you can easily go about adding new abilities, just like Bard they wouldn't all have to fit the Job either, unless you're telling me Rain of Death is a spoony ability?

Instead of saying "Thief wont happen", say "I can't imagine Thief happening", because that's what you really mean.

I like how you think this 'CHM/THF idea will make the 'Thief people' happy.

They don't just want the Name Thief in game....they want the name+ a very specific skillset/playstyle. And for most of them, mixing potions and being 'support' isn't it. I mean heck, what weapon will this THF/CHM use (and btw....they'd STILL be pissed, because mostly likely even if this happened, THF would be the class and Chemist would be the 'advance' IE Job. ...meaning no sexy THF AF/weapons/relics etc. )

SE created a class (Rogue) that seems to be very much in line with a 'fast paced, dual-wielding,stealthy, quick attacker DD who's attacks might not pack the same individual punches as other DD's, but w/ speed/position checks/debuffs=formidable beast of a roll.
Ninja=the advance on this (Job). To me it seems most of the butt-hurt boils down to 1. THF is not the name used for either role (even though it functionally could be). 2. Rogue=Ninja and therefore the AF gear appearing in game will NOT be similar to THF. 3. Modest butthurt that the Job is NIN and Not THF....and that NIN is a DPS role in this game vs. tank. (which makes the FFXI people have to deal with effectively 2 letdowns in 1).

What people want is their FFXI THF, and it's skillset/playstyle in THIS game. This is what people are saying is 'not going to happen'

Will they maybe call something THF one day? yeah maybe. but will it play like those most disappointed by the current announcements wish it to play? Nope.
So then, is it really a THF?...or just something with the name?

And if you only want the name Thief in game, regardless of how the class functions/plays...well isn't THAT a little silly?

Again, Rogue/Ninja= very much a 'THF like' play style. So you got the gameplay/DD/playstyle you want. Who cares if they call it the 'Purple Unicorn Fisticuffs'? It plays the SAME.

[Nalien]

I like how you think this 'CHM/THF idea will make the 'Thief people' happy.

I don't think it'll make people happy. I'm on the internet, nothing will ever make people happy.

Well, Chemist/Thief as Thief would make Rikku fans happy, I'm sure.

[Gilraen]

Yeah, I love your idea with the Chemist (though I'd keep it called Chemist as that sounds nice), but people really wanted their Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, Treasure Hunter, Flee (we have Flee already, it's called Sprint, and it's faster than Swiftsong and almost as fast as a mount) Thieves with their iconic green vest-and-tubetop AF. And they will keep demanding it despite the fact that Yoshida has been trying to avoid direct inspirations from XI this entire time. Not even Tanaka wanted to draw that heavily from XI.

[Jandor]

I don't think it'll make people happy. I'm on the internet, nothing will ever make people happy.

Well, Chemist/Thief as Thief would make Rikku fans happy, I'm sure.

Yep, I'd love a Rikku style Thief job .