Novus weapon upgrade system findings

[Grifield]

Interested about a futur screen shot for really know if we can put 31 det on Stardust Rod. Some people told me that Det cap on i110 weapon cannot be more than +22, so I'm afraid.

[Donjo]

Interested about a futur screen shot for really know if we can put 31 det on Stardust Rod. Some people told me that Det cap on i110 weapon cannot be more than +22, so I'm afraid.

Nah, the highest Det that has been on an existing weapon is 31. This, however, only left room for 31 points of a second stat. Look at the unweathered Book of Spades as an example: 31 Det and 31 Crit. Summoners drool over it XD

The best way to look at this is.... why would the Novus secondary stats = more than High Allagan.... Look at the High Allagan Kite Shield, PAR 13, DET 6.... If the stats on the Novus are 1 to 1 then you would be able to get PAR 13 and DET 9... I am pretty sure they wouldn't give you more secondary stats on a Novus than you would get on the High Allagan. You could also look at High Allagan Spear CRIT 32 and DET 32, it would make no sense for the Novus to have CRIT 44 and DET 31. You could make the argument that High Allagan weapons have more damage and main stats to make up for it... but following all previous weapon progression it doesn't make sense for a Novus to have better secondary stats when compared to a High Allagan

Again, all is speculation, but I tend to lean on the side that if it sounds to good to be true then it probably is.

This is my opinion too. The Novus needs to match stat weights with the other i110 weapons. They aren't crafted weapons. It's even more puzzling because keeping a 1:1 ratio on every stat would create discrepancies between one Novus and another. It's not quite right for one to have more points than another just because of stat choice. All Novi(is this a proper plural?) need to be equal in respect of this or else people will definitely start complaining.

Well... From another point of view...

My Thyrus Animus has 29 Det and 28 SS.

Let's say i want to max out Det (cap at 31 on scroll) and PIE (cap at 33).
After i maxed theese 2 stats i will sit at 64 points into the scroll.
If i'm forced to put the last 11 point into something else, only to find out my Det got gimped from 29 down to 22, i'd be pretty pissed...

Yeah, the low infusion caps on Piety and Determination seem to completely disallow a weapon that only uses these two secondary stats. I'm questioning it too, especially since you can get ridiculous stat weights by using both at once. The Yagrush proves that a weapon can possess both and fit weights...

Yagrush: 22 x 1.415 = 31.13 Det, 33 x 1.34 = 44.22 Piety = 75.35 total. Rounds down to 75.

But, your proposed Novus?

31 x 1.415 = 43.86 Det, 33 x 1.34 = 44.22 Piety, 11 x 1.0 Another stat... this adds up to 99.08! Almost a solid 33% more in weight than any other i110 weapon and any Novus that doesn't use weighted stats!

[Yukiko]

Nah, the highest Det that has been on an existing weapon is 31. This, however, only left room for 31 points of a second stat. Look at the unweathered Book of Spades as an example: 31 Det and 31 Crit. Summoners drool over it XD

[Tannlore]

Nah, the highest Det that has been on an existing weapon is 31. This, however, only left room for 31 points of a second stat. Look at the unweathered Book of Spades as an example: 31 Det and 31 Crit. Summoners drool over it XD

Is it just not possible that they didn't cap the stats on these weapons and instead left higher stat values for the novus? These are weapons that will continue to grow and maybe they wanted to give people who are putting the time and effort in these more incentive to work on them when you can just get lucky on a drop or two in coil and boom: you have an equal/better weapon. Honestly this makes more sense to me and while it may hurt the feelings of some raiders (being a raider myself they don't hurt my feelings), this just might be the case.

I think people are reading FAR.. too deep into something that doesn't need to be. Sometimes the most obvious thing is obvious because it is correct. If the scroll says +75, and tells you the caps, and trading the weapon shows that it is infact a 1 for 1 relationship then it is just that. My veil will have; Crit 44, Det 31. The old man is pretty clear in the quest text even.

[Donjo]

with all those discussion I understand less and less how I am supposed to upgrade that thing...
They really should have given better in-game info...

Don't worry so much. The "how" is pretty clear. Get those materia into the scroll! The discussion regards whether or not the stat weights present in other weapons will apply to the Novus, the end result being that some numbers could be lower than we think if they are. It's nothing worth panicking about as it won't make the Novus inferior to any weapon except for the High Allagan weapons.

Is it just not possible that they didn't cap the stats on these weapons and instead left higher stat values for the novus? These are weapons that will continue to grow and maybe they wanted to give people who are putting the time and effort in these more incentive to work on them when you can just get lucky on a drop or two in coil and boom: you have an equal/better weapon. Honestly this makes more sense to me and while it may hurt the feelings of some raiders (being a raider myself they don't hurt my feelings), this just might be the case.

I think people are reading FAR.. too deep into something that doesn't need to be. Sometimes the most obvious thing is obvious because it is correct. If the scroll says +75, and tells you the caps, and trading the weapon shows that it is infact a 1 for 1 relationship then it is just that. My veil will have; Crit 44, Det 31. The old man is pretty clear in the quest text even.

It's certainly possible that the Novus can have a higher stat weight than 75... but it would be incredibly stupid. As has been stated before, it's very unbalanced for one Novus to have more raw weight points than another. Considering that the number 75 fits perfectly with existing i110 weapons, it's reasonable to assume that the Novus will be equal to them. After all, I do believe that it was mentioned by devs that the Relic would never be more powerful than the equivalent "end game raid weapon".

As for that picture that shows Determination +23 and Crit Rate +1... it is not conclusive. That combination of stats adds up to less than 75 points of stat weight. Even if the weights are going to be correctly represented, that picture is correct. If weights are going to work the way they work for every other weapon in the game, then it won't show it until either: more than 75 points of stat weight are on a scroll... or at the very moment the weapon is converted to novus.

To reiterate. We cannot know for sure whether or not the stat weights will reduce any numbers until a scroll with Determination is completely filled!

So, stop saying this person is right. Stop saying this person is wrong. Stop throwing blame and false proof around and just do your Novus. That is the only way things will get cleared up.