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    DRG are best burst damage by far
    Nope. Summoners are, especially when you take foe requiem in consideration. You ll never match 2 - 2.5k crit Fester with your full thrust if you re not pretty insanely high in determination.

    Same for the aoe damage, Blm are the best in this category. We re just good at what we do, when it have to be done. Dragoons are versatile as in they can bring in pretty high burst on the table, or aoe, or sustained dps if played properly but we dont outclass any class in any of these domains (if played properly aswell)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sygmaelle View Post
    Nope. Summoners are, especially when you take foe requiem in consideration. You ll never match 2 - 2.5k crit Fester with your full thrust if you re not pretty insanely high in determination.
    Fester does do a lot of damage, this is true, but your assumption is a little off as well. First, you need to apply your 3 dots to a target to be able to use Fester. Bane will help make this quick, but without Bane you would need about 8 seconds to pull off a Fester. Thats pretty quick, no doubt, but give a DRG about 13 seconds and he will do far more burst than Fester + DoTs. Start with Disembowl (which will also increase BRD burst by 10% since your counting requiem) > Power Surge > Chaos Thrust > Jump > True Thrust > Spineshatter Dive > Vorpal Thrust > Life Surge > Full Thrust. This shortend combo for burst will do about 5k damage on the low end, and considerably more if just a couple skills crit. I give the below as evidence:

    http://s28.postimg.org/qooobeqwt/burst.jpg

    Now, I got a lot of crits in this example, but these attacks are consecutive hits, and did about 7600 damage, counting auto attacks and the attacks inbetween the ones in the screenshot. This damage was done in 9 seconds. Thats some serious burst. And unlike Fester, a DRG's burst can be maintained for a bit longer, do to Fester's 10 seconds cooldown.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alise View Post
    Or could say that he is burst DD, but really not so much useful imo about burst since there aren't so much situation that need it, and most of the time other dps combination can over come that
    Bulbs in T6, adds in T7, and Dreads in T8, and Wyvrens/Golems in T9 all require "burst" to bring them down fast. Burst Damage is commonly defined as "a term used to describe dealing high amounts of damage in a very short period of time. ". In my above examples, you need to kill the T6 bulb fast before it spreads briar, you need to kill the T7 adds fast before the next one spawns, you need to kill the T8 Dread before the healer's cannot keep up with damage output, and you need to kill the T9 adds fast before you simple die. So you do infact use burst damage in every turn of SCoB.

    As for your second point that other DPS can overcome the lack of a DRG's burst, yes this is true, all jobs can burst, however doing burst damage is one of DRGs strongest talents. SMN need some ramp up, BRD need to sit on cooldowns, and BLM need to be in the correct element. A DRG can just engage mob > blow it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sygmaelle View Post
    Nope. Summoners are, especially when you take foe requiem in consideration. You ll never match 2 - 2.5k crit Fester with your full thrust if you re not pretty insanely high in determination.
    Both Drg and SMN here.. DRG burst damage far exceeds SMN when all CDs are avail. After the intital burst of DRG is over with, yes SMN can keep on using Fester - but this is approaching sustained damage, not burst. Fester is only 300 potency after all, our Full Thrust is 330. SMN have to be careful Bane/Fester/Energy draining for burst, otherwise you're out of Aetherflow for a min and stuck with 80 pot Ruins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    Both Drg and SMN here.. DRG burst damage far exceeds SMN when all CDs are avail. After the intital burst of DRG is over with, yes SMN can keep on using Fester - but this is approaching sustained damage, not burst. Fester is only 300 potency after all, our Full Thrust is 330. SMN have to be careful Bane/Fester/Energy draining for burst, otherwise you're out of Aetherflow for a min and stuck with 80 pot Ruins.
    Dragoons can also guarantee a critical. There's no way to force a fester to crit. Summoner burst damage isn't reliable while dragoon's is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    Both Drg and SMN here.. DRG burst damage far exceeds SMN when all CDs are avail. After the intital burst of DRG is over with, yes SMN can keep on using Fester - but this is approaching sustained damage, not burst. Fester is only 300 potency after all, our Full Thrust is 330. SMN have to be careful Bane/Fester/Energy draining for burst, otherwise you're out of Aetherflow for a min and stuck with 80 pot Ruins.
    Make it short and post a screen of 2k3 minimum Full thrust at ilvl 104 big maximum. We re not the best bursters, because overall with all the crit dots + poison pots we re outclassed or you ll see dragoons breaking 600 dps quite often. Still didn't see a single one doin that with reasonnable ilvl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sygmaelle View Post
    Make it short and post a screen of 2k3 minimum Full thrust at ilvl 104 big maximum. We re not the best bursters, because overall with all the crit dots + poison pots we re outclassed or you ll see dragoons breaking 600 dps quite often. Still didn't see a single one doin that with reasonnable ilvl
    ~1600 FT + ~1100 VT + ~1500 Jump...all within less than 2.3 seconds (which is about the same time that Fester occupies without DoTs).

    THAT is our burst, and it beats Fester (both assuming crits too...since Fester won't crit all the time. Without...~1600 FT + ~750 VT + ~1000 Jump...we still win). And I have done that, several times.
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