WTF WHMs?

[Whatley]

To the people that think this thread is about yelling at WHMs to not do damage, you are wrong. It is about the useage of mana. I don't mind if a WHM dps' as long as they are able to keep the party alive as well.

If no one is dying, what's your problem? Most WHMs can manage their MP very well. Just mind your own business and stop thinking all WHMs are too stupid to manage their own mana.

The only time you should complain about a healer is if they aren't doing their job. i.e Keeping people alive.

Part of a Bard's business is to help out the group, which includes the healers when they are low on mp. Otherwise why would Bards have Mage's Ballad if no one needs it? After reading the replies here and some of the posts in the DPS forums, it seems that the only songs people want are Foe Requiem and Swiftsong.

[Pantz]

Part of a Bard's business is to help out the group, which includes the healers when they are low on mp. Otherwise why would Bards have Mage's Ballad if no one needs it? After reading the replies here and some of the posts in the DPS forums, it seems that the only songs people want are Foe Requiem and Swiftsong.

Because you have other useful buffs for the party rather than cater to a WHM who probably knows how to manage mana while casting holy.

If a healer starts to dps and spam holy, it means he is confident about having enough mana. You won't need to use song just for the healer. Use the dmg debuffs instead.

Rarely will any healer need song in 4mans. So don't bother unless he has like 400mp. The only time you should watch out for a healer needing song is in high level content where the healers have to heal their lives worth and dont even have the time to dps.

[Whatley]

Because you have other useful buffs for the party rather than cater to a WHM who probably knows how to manage mana while casting holy.

If a healer starts to dps and spam holy, it means he is confident about having enough mana. You won't need to use song just for the healer. Use the dmg debuffs instead.

I know I have other songs to use. I don't cater to just the healers. Depending on the other dps I will either use Foe or Paeon, usually for the big pulls and the bosses. It's just when I see the healer's mp at less than half in the middle of a fight I think "Oh crap! The healer needs mana!" and will want to switch to Ballad. Then of course with the spamming of Holy I feel the need to keep just Ballad up since the spell uses a lot of mp quickly. But now I know I don't need to do that anymore.

[AngelicSence]

I know I have other songs to use. I don't cater to just the healers. Depending on the other dps I will either use Foe or Paeon, usually for the big pulls and the bosses. It's just when I see the healer's mp at less than half in the middle of a fight I think "Oh crap! The healer needs mana!" and will want to switch to Ballad. Then of course with the spamming of Holy I feel the need to keep just Ballad up since the spell uses a lot of mp quickly. But now I know I don't need to do that anymore.

I think you should use it only then, when healer mp hits below 5% and mobs are still alive and healthy. When you have situation like this, that means someone is doing something wrong. From there it's up to you, save the party or let wipe happen. We can never trust pug teams I wish you best of good luck!

[Alistaire]

I know I have other songs to use. I don't cater to just the healers. Depending on the other dps I will either use Foe or Paeon, usually for the big pulls and the bosses. It's just when I see the healer's mp at less than half in the middle of a fight I think "Oh crap! The healer needs mana!" and will want to switch to Ballad. Then of course with the spamming of Holy I feel the need to keep just Ballad up since the spell uses a lot of mp quickly. But now I know I don't need to do that anymore.

Cool, was thinking for a second this thread was either a troll or someone who would come back in and vehemently defend their original position despite everything everyone was saying. Good to see someone open to learning, doesn't happen often enough.

In general knowing the abilities of the people you party with goes a long way towards knowing when/where to use your own.

[kujowaltz]

To the people that think this thread is about yelling at WHMs to not do damage, you are wrong. It is about the useage of mana. I don't mind if a WHM dps' as long as they are able to keep the party alive as well.



Part of a Bard's business is to help out the group, which includes the healers when they are low on mp. Otherwise why would Bards have Mage's Ballad if no one needs it? After reading the replies here and some of the posts in the DPS forums, it seems that the only songs people want are Foe Requiem and Swiftsong.

Mage's Ballad is the first song I believe you get as a BRD. And as such, its infinitely usefull in lvl 40+ dungeons, etc with light parties. But If you have several caster dps in a full party, where MP isn't an issue, the need for foe requiem is magnitudes greater than mage's ballad. Unless we are talking about turn 2 ADS. There are situations of course where mage's ballad is essential.