20% Coil Buff Not Being Implemented???

[Zhi]

20% even 30% isn't going to help those who cant learn mechanics, especially with Titan. Even 100% echo wont save you if you cant dodge landslides.

Actually with 100% if scholar can keep adlo shield up you will take 0 damage and not get knocked back by landslide

[JillyBean]

Because there is nothing to do in this game outside of coil right now.
If you aren't aiming to do Second Coil, what ARE you doing?

Wow, I'm kind of ashamed you're on my server.

[SendohJin]

Actually with 100% if scholar can keep adlo shield up you will take 0 damage and not get knocked back by landslide

how do you know this? 0 damage does not prevent knockback.

[Iriadysa]

I think the echo should reach the stated amount simply because echo is echo. It helps people catch up. Look at titan ex. People are being left behind on it because everyone who learned titan ex just move on leaving those behind in the dust.

I do Titan Ex when I'm bored, simply because so far it's the fight I enjoy the most. I've seen and helped training groups, DF groups, PF groups with i90 gear requirements claiming to farm, everything.

I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that Echo does not help here. You can either do it or you cannot. All Echo does is allow everyone else that can to carry those who can't.

Titan is pretty much the fight that shows the community's true colors: it's apparent that people prefer gear carried encounters than reaction based encounters. Things where upgrading your weapon or armor will grant you the "strength" to close the gap, where getting a better geared healer will patch your shortcomings as a tank or getting better geared DDs will shadow your lackluster performance.

XIV is a game that has attracted people who love numbers, formulas, parsers and predictable numerical outcomes, even if they don't realize this themselves. Titan is an encounter that cares very little about your numerical outputs (specially now with echo) and focuses on your reaction times, which are abysmal if my experience with multiple PUG groups is to be taken as example.

Twintania is in a similar position, where echo cancels out the tight numerical requirements and ends up showing the inability of the general population of players to deal with reactive mechanics.

The interesting part of all of this is that the reaction times required are really not too tight, at all. All these encounters are predictable: you know when landslide is coming, when bombs are coming, what patters of bombs will appear and in what order. You know when twintania will cast Twisters not because you see the bar but because the thing is literally on a strict timer. You know everything in advance, so you can "prepare to react". It's not twitch reactions what these encounters ask of you, just simply reactions.

how do you know this? 0 damage does not prevent knockback.

It does for the BLM shield. I'm unsure of adloquim/stoneskin soaked damage though.

[Kaisha]

Look at titan ex. People are being left behind on it because everyone who learned titan ex just move on leaving those behind in the dust.

The 'people left behind' can learn the fight and clear it themselves as the rest of us did well before the echo update.

[Gormogon]

The 'people left behind' can learn the fight and clear it themselves as the rest of us did well before the echo update.

Be a teacher. Use that mentality. Explain to the principle and committee that the reason why 95% of your class isn't passing your curriculum is because they can learn and clear it themselves like the other 5%. They sure gonna wanna keep you around.

[SDaemon]

The 'people left behind' can learn the fight and clear it themselves as the rest of us did well before the echo update.

Or buy it. That's the way a lot of people went in Titan's early days.

[Limecat]

how do you know this? 0 damage does not prevent knockback.

Some(probably all, but I've never paid enough attention or tested it extensively so I can't be sure) attacks with secondary effects won't proc the effect if all the damage is absorbed by Stoneskin and/or SCH shields. An easy example to watch in action are toad licks. Put up SS, let one see you, and the lick won't draw you in if you take 0 damage. A more extreme example is the vulnerability debuff caused by the nodes in Turn 2. SS+shield spam on the tank can completely prevent stacks from building.

[Fynlar]

how do you know this? 0 damage does not prevent knockback.

Taking 0 damage prevents most (all?) forms of status ailments that come along with the attack, and knockback is included among those.

Don't believe me? Try going up to Ifrit with a fresh Stoneskin up, and take a Vulcan Burst (low damage + knockback aoe, shouldn't take long for him to use it). Watch and be amazed as the people with intact Stoneskins are not flown backward.

[SDaemon]

Be a teacher. Use that mentality. Explain to the principle and committee that the reason why 95% of your class isn't passing your curriculum is because they can learn and clear it themselves like the other 5%. They sure gonna wanna keep you around.

Gotta love logical fallacies.