PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[MakoRaiju]

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You are getting way out of topic here. Patches makes older content easier, thats a design MMO's been using for ages so ofc people are gonna go thru old content faster then when they were released.

And yeah, people lessen their grind and play together by grouping up to do, to use your examples, by doing Fates together. No exploit there, using the system as it should be used. But to compare to win trading you have to go to the instance of a where you have a full grp and theres some members thats been on followmode on another active member since start and does jack for the xp or rewards or whatever. Do you think the active members in that grp think its fair their doing what they should to get what they want, while the ones leeching off on follow mode is not doing jack?

Win trading is a behaviour in players that want to take the fast and effortless way to to reach the end and has been a bannable offense for exploiting the queue system in quite alot of games. I dont liek to bring the name up but im gonna say for example WoW and SWTOR.

Right now it seems that every comparisons you have come up with is totally off track and have nothing to do with the matter at hand.

[Sapphic]

Right now it seems that every comparisons you have come up with is totally off track and have nothing to do with the matter at hand.

They just grasping at any straw or irrelevance to try and defend the actions.

Like the strawman argument "I only want for glamor".

[NyneAlexander]

They just grasping at any straw or irrelevance to try and defend the actions.

Like the strawman argument "I only want for glamor".

Orz. How is it a strawmans argument if its the truth? First off, let me go on record by saying that I have actually never pvp win traded. But after playing a bunch of pvp matches, I definitely am not holding it against anyone if they want to. PVP IS A JOKE. Even with insane gear, its a joke. There are currently two viable strategies: kill the healer or kill the black mage. Thats it. And I'm really not that good at it. But i will continue to join pvp queues, piss off other players with my terrible skills, and grind it out to get the dope looking gears that I want. And when I get them, i'll most likely stop.

Who's really hurt by this? The 3 other players in all of my countless parties because I suck at pvp. If I win traded my way to those gears, then those countless other party members would have never had to deal with my abysmal pvp talent, the world would continue to turn and the beat goes on.

[Sapphic]

PVP IS A JOKE. Even with insane gear, its a joke. There are currently two viable strategies: kill the healer or kill the black mage. Thats it. And I'm really not that good at it. But i will continue to join pvp queues, piss off other players with my terrible skills, and grind it out to get the dope looking gears that I want. And when I get them, i'll most likely stop.

Which is still NO EXCUSE to cheat the system. Don't like it, DON'T DO IT! I don't, so I don't.

Loser reward is an incentive in gear progression PvP to keep players who lose a lot to continue trying, because they are still gaining, albeit at a slower pace.

[Snorgrind]

Which is still NO EXCUSE to cheat the system. Don't like it, DON'T DO IT! I don't, so I don't.

Loser reward is an incentive in gear progression PvP to keep players who lose a lot to continue trying, because they are still gaining, albeit at a slower pace.

the thing is its not slower pace, even if you are bad at pvp you will have around 50% wins if you are not healer and guess what, wintraders have 50% wins too so where is the difference ? takes same time and no effort if queues are fast. Ppl doing wintrades only because queues takes too much time.