PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[Histoire]

how is joining a pvp match to die (not actually pvping) any different than going into a titan ex and glitching it so you never get hit?
Both are ignoring the game design and getting an "easy win" for rewards

again with the comparisons pve to pvp, but i'll humor you:

how is say, jumping onto a rock, and watching the mob sit there unable to hit you (this is the only titan exploit i remember off the top of my head) comparable to getting 7 people together and working toward a goal? you disagree with the method.

so by your logic and disagreeing with the method people who choose to do aurum vale 47-50 instead of fate would be a problem, but they're not in your way, so you don't care.

the system is screwing you. not the people. if this were to be considered even remotely an exploit i would be utterly baffled. it is no different than 1.0 power leveling, no different than quick leveling methods in the current game.

it's like adding the DF into the equation made people explode.

[Shinun]

I just wish we would get an official answer on this, I actually enjoy the pvp, but if wintrade is not against the rules I can see myself doing it for faster ranking for before frontlines. Until then i'll keep doing my solo queues.

[Azurymber]

I don't pvp, could care less what goes on over there, my question is, why are you mad that they are doing this? All that will happen is they will hit rank 40, get the armor they want for vanity, and not pvp again.

because the armor is an incentive to pvp so that people can actually pvp without 30min queues

If SE said "win-trading is ok"
I would go win-trade to 40 and then do pvp for fun

But the way things are, i don't want to "exploit" and risk a ban (and it's pretty clear it's an exploit)
And I have to spend 4 weeks of my life pvping -all day- instead of doing other content I find fun, while other people basically "cheat" their way to 40 in 2 days.

I just want equality. If win trading is OK a dev should post "go ahead and do it, you won't get banned"
Not stay silent and allow some people to cheat and get ahead of those willing to put the effort in

FFXIV shouldn't be about calculating the risk of being banned in order to get ahead of other people

[Azurymber]

again with the comparisons pve to pvp, but i'll humor you:

how is say, jumping onto a rock, and watching the mob sit there unable to hit you (this is the only titan exploit i remember off the top of my head) comparable to getting 7 people together and working toward a goal? you disagree with the method.

so by your logic and disagreeing with the method people who choose to do aurum vale 47-50 instead of fate would be a problem, but they're not in your way, so you don't care.

the system is screwing you. not the people.

Aurum vale has mobs that give exp. Killing mobs is gameplay. You kill mobs, you get exp.
PvP is a competition. If all you do is go in to die, why even have pvp? why not just give away the gear free? You aren't actually playing the game.
Same way botting PvP isn't playing the game
And same way entering PvP and afking wouldn't be playing the game

[Nadrojj]

because the armor is an incentive to pvp so that people can actually pvp without 30min queues

If SE said "win-trading is ok"
I would go win-trade to 40 and then do pvp for fun

But the way things are, i don't want to "exploit" and risk a ban (and it's pretty clear it's an exploit)
And I have to spend 4 weeks of my life pvping -all day- instead of doing other content I find fun, while other people basically "cheat" their way to 40 in 2 days.

I just want equality. If win trading is OK a dev should post "go ahead and do it, you won't get banned"
Not stay silent and allow some people to cheat and get ahead of those willing to put the effort in

FFXIV shouldn't be about calculating the risk of being banned in order to get ahead of other people

So you're mad that you have to spend time doing something to get the reward and want the official ok to put in less work is what you're saying? In two weeks all of them will be gone, they'll have their armor and the people left playing the terrible excuse they call pvp will be free to continue to pvp eachother.

[Kassiekane]

because the armor is an incentive to pvp so that people can actually pvp without 30min queues

You completely missed Nadrojj's point.

Yes, armor / glamours is an incentive to grind PvP.

It is also a dead end. Most players who get their glamours will have absolutely no reason to continue playing PvP. There are no leaderboards, no ranking system, no title to defend. The biggest attraction to PvP is also its greatest flaw.

This is by far the worse PvP in a P2P game I have ever seen.

[Shinun]

And what about Frontlines. Won't people who wintraded to R40 have the advantage over everyone else? Starting on Jenova I missed the initial grind to 30 and am stuck with these awful queues. I have no qualms against people who are using the system to their advantage but, SE should reply, and if they see something wrong with it issue rollbacks to ranks for those involved. If not then atleast all these threads will dissapear.

[MakoRaiju]

no. you can face 4 man premades in solo queue. one of the many flaws with this system. it does not force you to use the light party queue.

the standard in light party with balanced ranks is 60 exp 100 marks.

exp and marks given are based on your party's total rank vs. the other party's total ranks.

seriously no one in here does pvp very much, none of you seem to know what's going on. XD

just relax and think about light party queues instead of pointing fingers at the people who just grind. win traders aren't the problem here. the people that completely forgot there is another side of pvp are.

now when people are using light party and win traders sit there withdrawing over and over like it's CT trying to line up together, we have an actual problem. and again, it won't be with the people. it's going to be the way pvp is set up. it's just not what it should be, and there's nothing we can do about that.

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Other side of PvP.. surely you are not talking about what you and Seras is doing is it? Opening a Party Finder group with the title of "4v4 PvP wintrading" to get a number of random players to fill your grps and then queue up at the same time to take turns in killing each other without effort? Last time i checked thats the very definition of wintrading.

Also you are talking about how you can meet premade teams while soloqueueing, that is only possible at the level 30 and 40 queues.

And yes, the problem lies with the wintraders. For one, for every wintrader parties/arrangements beeing set up, 8 possible players ranged from any ranks are taken off the queues, which again makes the solo, duo, and trio queues taking longer and the system starts to mash players with a large rank gap with each other.

2nd. Wintrading is pretty much about giving them the rewards without them working/put an effort in obtaining it. You can compare it with anything that is unjust in this world. For instance, why would another player that dont care about PvP at all gets to wear/glamour the top tiered PvP gear if he didnt put an effort in obtaining it? Doesnt matter if he's never gonna PvP again, the suit is for those who put an effort in obtaining it and is one of the few rewards for doing PvP. Should someone that just got level 50 be given i115 gear from Coil and the weapon from T9 because said person didnt wanna put an effort in beating the bosses? Should a person be given a bonus paycheck because his co-worker did all the extra work while said person just sat at work and barely did his job?

And dotn speak about the 4v4 queues cus most ppl are just withdrawing when they dont meet the team they had an arrangement with, believe me, i tried hunting them down and had a blast just laughing at the withdrawals.

[Azurymber]

So you're mad that you have to spend time doing something to get the reward and want the official ok to put in less work is what you're saying? In two weeks all of them will be gone, they'll have their armor and the people left playing the terrible excuse they call pvp will be free to continue to pvp eachother.

I'm not mad
I'm just not supporting the idea that people should be able to cheat to get ahead just because they don't like content.
Why not just add a "win button" to everything. Don't want to do titan? Queue up and hit the win button when you get in! Would be the exact same thing as win-trading.

[Sapphic]

I'm not mad
I'm just not supporting the idea that people should be able to cheat to get ahead just because they don't like content.
Why not just add a "win button" to everything. Don't want to do titan? Queue up and hit the win button when you get in! Would be the exact same thing as win-trading.

Agree.

Also two posts on this topic have already been removed. So they don't want it advertised which to me seems they don't want it too well known if they taking any kind of action (in before this one gets removed also XD )