PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[Shinun]

How is it different? Coil is the best gear in PvE. Your getting the best gear in PvP by wintrading. Your saying people of the same skill won't have an advantage in pve with better pve gear? Same thing applies to pvp aswell as the big update of frontlines coming up, those wintraders will have a clear advantage over everyone else

[Dhex]

How is it different? Coil is the best gear in PvE. Your getting the best gear in PvP by wintrading. Your saying people of the same skill won't have an advantage in pve with better pve gear? Same thing applies to pvp aswell as the big update of frontlines coming up, those wintraders will have a clear advantage over everyone else

Because PvE is progression, but PvP should be static.

They screwed up with a ranking system. This isn't Call of Duty - a majority of players do not and will not spend a lion-share of their time in PVP - especially since the rewards are only pertinent to the player base in two areas; PVP & Glamour.

PVP gear gives you a PVP advantage... but what reason is there to PVP once you've capped your PVP rank. There isn't one besides having some fun.

Rank 1-39 might as well not exist it's the same as leveling 1-50. Rank 40 PVP gear is PVE Tome gear it doesn't take effort to get it. Nobody cares how many PVP matches you win just like nobody cares how many PVE Dungeons you've run.

You also can't talk an NPC into purposefully losing to you - which makes the entire argument ridiculous.

The desire to feel superior is the only vibe I get from the people that are so angry over this - and guess what! If you ever PVP someone who got there via trading? You'll probably trounce them faster than they ever got killed when they just stood there and let themselves die.



In short; PVP is badly designed and poorly implemented, and boohoo your ego doesn't matter.

Sack up.

[Shinun]

Your whole argument dies on your first sentence "should be" but it's not. It is progression.

[Dhex]

Your whole argument dies on your first sentence "should be" but it's not. It is progression.

Yeah. You progress until you hit Rank 40 and then buy your PVP gear... and then it's a static environment where player skill provides the variation.

So why does Rank 1-39 matter? Why does it even exist?


It's a time-sink, one people don't want to participate in. Whether to glamour themselves, or to actually get into PVP.

Thus; win-trading.


The end~

[Azurymber]

Yeah. You progress until you hit Rank 40 and then buy your PVP gear... and then it's a static environment where player skill provides the variation.

So why does Rank 1-39 matter? Why does it even exist?


It's a time-sink, one people don't want to participate in. Whether to glamour themselves, or to actually get into PVP.

Thus; win-trading.


The end~

so if people don't want to participate in a time-sink... say atma farming... they should just exploit their way past it? Like using a bot to farm fates? Or exploiting a boss (e.g. titan jump down glitch) to farm gear?

[Shinun]

This isn't the first game with pvp where people use methods to rank up thats not intended and those people usually get banned. If people can get banned for cheating the pve content like coils. I don't know how anyone can assume nothing will happen to them for doing the same in other aspects of the game even if its not enjoyable for majority of players.

Just because you want to use an item for glamour doesn't mean you should get to do it without the work thats intended. So RMT should be fine? Botting should be fine? Just because your too lazy to work for something doesn't mean it's ok to use the system in a way that wasn't intended.

Let's say the people who wintraded only did it for glamour. Then they shouldn't be allowed at all in any pvp content. They got items in a way that wasn't attendend and will be able to abuse other players trying to partake in future content that might not have the items because they are still in the process of the legitimiate grind

[NyneAlexander]

Let's say the people who wintraded only did it for glamour. Then they shouldn't be allowed at all in any pvp content. They got items in a way that wasn't attendend and will be able to abuse other players trying to partake in future content that might not have the items because they are still in the process of the legitimiate grind

I would be totally 100% fine with this. In fact, if SE offered a version of the pvp gear with 0 stats that you could farm solo, I'd be ok with this too. Then you could actually crack down on pvp win trading because you'd know the people doing it wouldn't be doing it for glamours.

So by your logic RMT and botting is fine. If the system is poorly made let the players respond to it how they like. Oh ya that does already happen and they get banned.
So if let's say a future patch happens and people who wintraded without a definite "no" from SE came get banned. They have no right to argue against it because, they knew they were using the system as it wasn't intended and just wanted to respond to the poorly made system as it was.

This is a no. No one said botting is ok. No one is endorsing using a 3rd party program to automatically queue for pvp, enter with your character, and run around until the match is over to get points. No one is saying this is ok for PvE either. Its really not the same because you aren't manipulating the code to do something its not supposed to do. If SE was really worried about win trading, then SE should have implemented a system that didn't allow 8 people to find a way to queue 4v4 together.

[Shinun]

Snip.

If a debate this strong is going on on multiple threads then clearly theirs a divide on it, and whatever way SE decides to agree on their will be an effect. If they agree with wintrading the Wolves Den will be in an even worse state then it is now. If they disagree with Wintrading what can they do.

1. They'll either look the other way for the people who already abused the system.

2. They'll Rollback players who wintraded.

3. They'll ban players who wintraded.

All in their right to do whatever they choose to do. But, I can guarentee if they ban players. The people who were wintrading because they didn't like the system as it is and decided to take matters in their own hands will not be happy on the subject, even if beforehand they thought even in the slightest SE didn't want them to do what they were doing.

[MakoRaiju]

Yeah. You progress until you hit Rank 40 and then buy your PVP gear... and then it's a static environment where player skill provides the variation.

So why does Rank 1-39 matter? Why does it even exist?


It's a time-sink, one people don't want to participate in. Whether to glamour themselves, or to actually get into PVP.

Thus; win-trading.


The end~

To enlighten you, the PvP gear is also a progression. You dont need rank 40 to wear everything, you get to wear the items in different sets of ranks. And as you said, if people dont wanna participate in a time-sink, then dont and leave it be, instead of doing it in a way others feel disgusted upon.

[Dhex]

To enlighten you, the PvP gear is also a progression. You dont need rank 40 to wear everything, you get to wear the items in different sets of ranks. And as you said, if people dont wanna participate in a time-sink, then dont and leave it be, instead of doing it in a way others feel disgusted upon.

How will those "others" feel when patch 2.28 comes along and gives everyone all their PVP abilities without any work or grind? I'm sure they'll feel "disgusted upon" the change to the time-sink.



PVP Rank 1-39 is the same as EXP grinding.

You can join a FATE party and only tag a few monsters while everyone else grinds and BAM! Feel the EXP flow. Cheaters! Exploitation!

People make parties to lessen their grind.

Nothing more or less.

Win-trading is a player response to a badly designed PVP model and an effort to circumvent a time-sink.


You wanna blame someone - blame shitty design and uninteresting dynamics.

It's like the people that hated people who used Mana-burn parties in 1.0 to EXP.

I didn't think of it! It's different from how I did it! You noobs! You casuals! You cheaters how dare you! #shakescane

I ground my way to lv50 on Coblyns! In the snow! Uphill both ways! And I had to do dungeons to get my AF! And Darklight had a .01% drop-rate!

All this tome farming and quest given gear is exploits and cheat I tell ya!


Look! Look! I can do hyperbole and ad hominem too.



Square will observe the trends in the player-base and adjust, and they're slowly moving in the right direction already -> Giving everyone all the PVP abilities from the get go.