PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[Shinun]

How is it different? Coil is the best gear in PvE. Your getting the best gear in PvP by wintrading. Your saying people of the same skill won't have an advantage in pve with better pve gear? Same thing applies to pvp aswell as the big update of frontlines coming up, those wintraders will have a clear advantage over everyone else

[Dhex]

How is it different? Coil is the best gear in PvE. Your getting the best gear in PvP by wintrading. Your saying people of the same skill won't have an advantage in pve with better pve gear? Same thing applies to pvp aswell as the big update of frontlines coming up, those wintraders will have a clear advantage over everyone else

Because PvE is progression, but PvP should be static.

They screwed up with a ranking system. This isn't Call of Duty - a majority of players do not and will not spend a lion-share of their time in PVP - especially since the rewards are only pertinent to the player base in two areas; PVP & Glamour.

PVP gear gives you a PVP advantage... but what reason is there to PVP once you've capped your PVP rank. There isn't one besides having some fun.

Rank 1-39 might as well not exist it's the same as leveling 1-50. Rank 40 PVP gear is PVE Tome gear it doesn't take effort to get it. Nobody cares how many PVP matches you win just like nobody cares how many PVE Dungeons you've run.

You also can't talk an NPC into purposefully losing to you - which makes the entire argument ridiculous.

The desire to feel superior is the only vibe I get from the people that are so angry over this - and guess what! If you ever PVP someone who got there via trading? You'll probably trounce them faster than they ever got killed when they just stood there and let themselves die.



In short; PVP is badly designed and poorly implemented, and boohoo your ego doesn't matter.

Sack up.

[Shinun]

Your whole argument dies on your first sentence "should be" but it's not. It is progression.

[Tyrial]

How is it different? Coil is the best gear in PvE. Your getting the best gear in PvP by wintrading. Your saying people of the same skill won't have an advantage in pve with better pve gear? Same thing applies to pvp aswell as the big update of frontlines coming up, those wintraders will have a clear advantage over everyone else

Except in PvP you can lose and still get items, in PvE you can't. So yes, it's completely different and that is the point that was being made.

[Dhex]

Your whole argument dies on your first sentence "should be" but it's not. It is progression.

Yeah. You progress until you hit Rank 40 and then buy your PVP gear... and then it's a static environment where player skill provides the variation.

So why does Rank 1-39 matter? Why does it even exist?


It's a time-sink, one people don't want to participate in. Whether to glamour themselves, or to actually get into PVP.

Thus; win-trading.


The end~

[Azurymber]

Yeah. You progress until you hit Rank 40 and then buy your PVP gear... and then it's a static environment where player skill provides the variation.

So why does Rank 1-39 matter? Why does it even exist?


It's a time-sink, one people don't want to participate in. Whether to glamour themselves, or to actually get into PVP.

Thus; win-trading.


The end~

so if people don't want to participate in a time-sink... say atma farming... they should just exploit their way past it? Like using a bot to farm fates? Or exploiting a boss (e.g. titan jump down glitch) to farm gear?

[Shinun]

This isn't the first game with pvp where people use methods to rank up thats not intended and those people usually get banned. If people can get banned for cheating the pve content like coils. I don't know how anyone can assume nothing will happen to them for doing the same in other aspects of the game even if its not enjoyable for majority of players.

Just because you want to use an item for glamour doesn't mean you should get to do it without the work thats intended. So RMT should be fine? Botting should be fine? Just because your too lazy to work for something doesn't mean it's ok to use the system in a way that wasn't intended.

Let's say the people who wintraded only did it for glamour. Then they shouldn't be allowed at all in any pvp content. They got items in a way that wasn't attendend and will be able to abuse other players trying to partake in future content that might not have the items because they are still in the process of the legitimiate grind

[MakoRaiju]

Yeah. You progress until you hit Rank 40 and then buy your PVP gear... and then it's a static environment where player skill provides the variation.

So why does Rank 1-39 matter? Why does it even exist?


It's a time-sink, one people don't want to participate in. Whether to glamour themselves, or to actually get into PVP.

Thus; win-trading.


The end~

To enlighten you, the PvP gear is also a progression. You dont need rank 40 to wear everything, you get to wear the items in different sets of ranks. And as you said, if people dont wanna participate in a time-sink, then dont and leave it be, instead of doing it in a way others feel disgusted upon.

[Dhex]

To enlighten you, the PvP gear is also a progression. You dont need rank 40 to wear everything, you get to wear the items in different sets of ranks. And as you said, if people dont wanna participate in a time-sink, then dont and leave it be, instead of doing it in a way others feel disgusted upon.

How will those "others" feel when patch 2.28 comes along and gives everyone all their PVP abilities without any work or grind? I'm sure they'll feel "disgusted upon" the change to the time-sink.



PVP Rank 1-39 is the same as EXP grinding.

You can join a FATE party and only tag a few monsters while everyone else grinds and BAM! Feel the EXP flow. Cheaters! Exploitation!

People make parties to lessen their grind.

Nothing more or less.

Win-trading is a player response to a badly designed PVP model and an effort to circumvent a time-sink.


You wanna blame someone - blame shitty design and uninteresting dynamics.

It's like the people that hated people who used Mana-burn parties in 1.0 to EXP.

I didn't think of it! It's different from how I did it! You noobs! You casuals! You cheaters how dare you! #shakescane

I ground my way to lv50 on Coblyns! In the snow! Uphill both ways! And I had to do dungeons to get my AF! And Darklight had a .01% drop-rate!

All this tome farming and quest given gear is exploits and cheat I tell ya!


Look! Look! I can do hyperbole and ad hominem too.



Square will observe the trends in the player-base and adjust, and they're slowly moving in the right direction already -> Giving everyone all the PVP abilities from the get go.

[NyneAlexander]

Can I "Win trade" in Coil 2? I only want the gear for glamor... honest!

If you can convince ADS to lay down and trade wins with you, then sure. Go for it.

Oh wait... people already do that with enrage strat, and SE said go for it.