So, appearantly I got added to a 'list'

[Elway358]

I never join groups where the leader reserves gear for themselves. I am sure there are a lot more people who don't say anything they just don't join your group. If you ever wonder why your group is filling up slow its probably because you reserve gear for yourself and a lot of people just won't join groups like that.

This times 1000. In my experience, most people view these "loot lockers" as whiney little casuals who want it as fast and easy as possible as they cry about how many times they've run said dungeon and gotten "screwed" on the loot roll. LMAO, give it a rest and roll with everyone else like a bigboy. Bless their pitiful little hearts...

[HeroSamson]

I never join groups where the leader reserves gear for themselves. I am sure there are a lot more people who don't say anything they just don't join your group. If you ever wonder why your group is filling up slow its probably because you reserve gear for yourself and a lot of people just won't join groups like that.

I have and quit them after I found out and if anyone joins a Free company or group that promotes only leader loot, I would really hope you consider leaving that group or Free company because you'll never get anything.

They go by greed I knew a few on FFXI had the most dumbest rules and never followed their own rules when people were running separate runs from outside the Linkshell, so yeah anyone who joins those things should leave quit fast and now.

[sanosuke001]

I disagree with gear locking and won't join a PF that does it but it's your choice to set that up and mine to ignore. I don't see it as something worthy of a "blacklist"

[infinitezero]

This is still going? You have got to be shitting me. Spoiler alert!

[Eidolon]

They go by greed I knew a few on FFXI had the most dumbest rules and never followed their own rules when people were running separate runs from outside the Linkshell, so yeah anyone who joins those things should leave quit fast and now.

IIRC, FFXI I saw a few different systems. First was the 'points' system, where you could bid up to a certain # of points based on attendance in raids to get your piece of armor. You could easily show up only to what you wanted to, but most likely, that would mean you wouldnt' get geared nearly as fast, so it encouraged consistency.

You had loot council, too, which was -always- rough. I hated loot council, because it always encouraged feelings of bitterness and people inadvertently always thought, "Oh, I didn't get my piece of gear - the leader must be a biased!" It was always a rough system.

Anyways, as far as not joining parties where leaders reserve gear for themselves - I've noticed it's never been much of a problem. Most people don't really care about anything except the job they're going on. When people make Black Mage lock-outs (or any other class), the only thing it does is causes that class not to want to join (unless they're after a different piece that isn't locked, which like I said - I am more than willing to pass.)

I did have a slight issue with a Greed>Need party (Based on job) last night where a Black Mage rolled Need, and proceeded to leave the party once he had his pants/belt (Instead of letting the White Mage who also called Greed for Black Mage loot roll as well.) Most of us in the party reported him, but it's impossible to tell if any sort of penalty is levied against such a person, you know?

[Soul_Vigil]

The funny thing is there is actually no way to lockout gear. Just don’t join said party or join it and greed/need on whatever you want. If I want a specific piece gear, I will make a party with my FC. I personally think it is wrong to “loot-lock” with people you don’t know… but whatever.

[Elim]

The funny thing is there is actually no way to lockout gear. Just don’t join said party or join it and greed/need on whatever you want. If I want a specific piece gear, I will make a party with my FC. I personally think it is wrong to “loot-lock” with people you don’t know… but whatever.

I think we need to put Camate's post on every single page of this thread. Not sure why people think it's O.K to join parties with loot rules then break them/steal loot in the first place...but anyway...

Greetings,

One of the first things we are looking into doing is adding a system so information is displayed in the chat log regarding who lotted on an item.

We've received a lot of requests to make it possible to pass after you've already lotted on an item, but due to the current system as well as prospects for the future we do not have any plans to implement this at the moment.

Also, while this isn't limited to only the topic at hand, it's extremely difficult to prevent human error by creating perfect rules within the game system as it becomes something that forces players to go through a cumbersome process. (Such as going through multiple confirmation windows.)

Naturally we will continue to make changes to the system for improvements, but ultimately we feel that there are situations where we would like you to decide on the rules amongst yourselves. Before entering a duty, make sure that all party members are informed of the agreement and who is able to lot on which item. All party members should agree to those terms before entering to ensure an agreement is clearly understood.

Breaking these agreements, or behavior that imposes on other players' enjoyment of the game, will not be tolerated. If after an investigation it's confirmed that a player clearly understood the rules when joining a group and still acted in such a manner, proper action will be taken against the player, which may include confiscation of the item or account suspension, so please avoid doing anything like this.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1847115

[HeroSamson]

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Well let me tell you how greedy this guys shell was. when I first joined I was told I was main samurai, I came on time every event for my DKP pool, I was supposed to get the masamune the person I worked on sword with lied to me saying coins were better even leader of shell did made me ruin my sword so that this other person can obtain the real masamune, this was before data about the weapon came out so I had zero idea till later but they apparently figured it out, the two were in on it together after he got the masamune he quit game.

The rules of the shell if you didn't show up for 2 days you couldn't lot though the leaders could leave and still lot even players who were friends with leaders.

Second rule your pop your drops, though if you had all pops except 1 and they helped get the item you get 1 item out of your pop and people get to lot on stuff but generally that wasn't the case the leaders were lotting everything, also leaders were missing a item the rule didn't apply to them.

though after the masamune thing I quit that shell, someone quit after telling me I was right because leader quit after he had gotten all loot.

Also rule nobody from his shell can help you with relic weapons or armor or you would get kicked even if they were in his own shell.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1847115

I like that. I actually set up greed parties but I don't lock-out items on a single person. Instead, I tell them that if that item is requested TWICE, it gets locked. So you have competition and there'll be more people interested on joining my group. The advantage of a greed party, is that you can join with your best job if the slot is available or any job. I always make a list with a macro. When the fight is over, I pop said list to check if someone was interested on that item. I ask the others to leave so only the people who requested that item can roll on them. I just don't like ninja looters. Rules are clear ALWAYS. You don't like them? Don't join.

[darkstarpoet1]

honestly it's easy to work with.

i just won't join a party where anything is locked whether i needed the item or not. to me, the only reason to lot a gear is in a greed party where everyone chooses 2 items and they set a limit of 2 people rolling on the same loot. at least this way everyone gets the same fair shot at a piece of gear as everyone else instead of someone feeling high and mighty and stating they deserve one piece of gear more than anyone else.

the key is if you don't like the rules simply don't join the party and do the run.