So, appearantly I got added to a 'list'

[Teppie]

This is another assumption. What if this person has a limited play time? Should they have to wait days to find this mythical party? Or should they be able to jump right in and have a fair shot from the start?

You talk as if this is the new norm. As if this is standard practice. Don't join my party if you want x. It had better not be the majority. That would put a rather foul taste in my mouth.

It really isn't anyones problem except his own if some hypothetical person has limited playtime. It's almost as if you're implying these lock out groups band together for the common interest of ruining someone elses day rather than a group working towards the mutual goal of killing the same mob, for different desires in loot.

[Issac]

Here's where you lose me. Again, you put the supposed 'victim' as more important than the one taking time out of his day to lead the party.

I don't think that's a fair exchange. I don't feel the leader should be entitled to any loot absolutely just because they organized a party.

It really isn't anyones problem except his own if some hypothetical person has limited playtime.

Sure, you don't have to care about them. But I do.

It's pretty simple. I think it's wrong to impose these particular conditions.

[Teppie]

Sure, you don't have to care about them. But I do.

It's pretty simple. I think it's wrong to impose these particular conditions.

Then make your own group that doesn't impose these restrictions

[Issac]

Then make your own group that doesn't impose these restrictions

I generally do.

[Teppie]

I generally do.

You're such an advocate of the person blacklisting the OP, would you happen to know where the list/site is?

[Issac]

You're such an advocate of the person blacklisting the OP, would you happen to know where the list/site is?

I have no clue! Never even heard of it until this thread popped up. I know that I mentioned a few pages back that it might be useful, but in all honesty, I probably would never use it. Nor would I really ever refer to it.

When I spot this kind of activity in the PF I generally just ignore it, in truth I wouldn't want to hold a grudge over it. I would form a somewhat low opinion of the person as a first impression, but nothing that can't be dispelled by discovering a good personality. If in time the person proved to be an actual twit then I would much more quickly use the blacklist in game.

[Sapphic]

When you lock any loot at all within PF, you are explicitly using strangers to ensure you and you alone are entitled to a particular piece of loot. I think that level of greed is morally wrong. Now if you play with a static, linkshell, or free company in which everyone knows eachothers' goals and and work together long-term to achieve them for everyone, that's something I'd be on board with.

But picking up random strangers just to use them? Not cool with me. It strikes a chord.

If it is specifically stated in the PF that X item is reserved. How is that "picking up random strangers" as those who join, join knowing that the PartyFinder maker has set that rule.

What's so hard of just ignoring a PF party that has rules you do not like and joining another or making your own with your own set of rules?

Someone who makes a entry in the Party Finder can set WHATEVER RULES THEY WANT and people who agree will join, those who don't wont. The PF is there to facilitate making partys tailored to your own requirements.

[alhandra]

. What if this person has a limited play time? Should they have to wait days to find this mythical party?

its not my responsibility to account for every random internet persons play schedule when i start my groups and just because they have a shitty schedule does not entitle them to a position in my group

if they need a group they should start it on their time.

the burden of finding a group, getting a clear, or acquiring loot rests solely on the the person needing it

the rest of the world does not owe you jack

[Sapphic]

This is another assumption. What if this person has a limited play time? Should they have to wait days to find this mythical party? Or should they be able to jump right in and have a fair shot from the start?

You talk as if this is the new norm. As if this is standard practice. Don't join my party if you want x. It had better not be the majority. That would put a rather foul taste in my mouth.

That's their own problem. not anyone else.

Here's the thing. You don't like the rules some people put in their PF party...

So Make... Your.. Own

If someone does not want to do that, there's Duty Finder. Otherwise they have zero reason to complain of the requirements someone else puts on their PF.

[Niwashi]

I just think it's wrong to reserve gear in a public setting. Reserve gear with DKP, or amongst your peers within a private group, like a linkshell or FC. This is my opinion.

But this IS within a private group. It's a temporary private group (a PF party) rather than a more long-term private group, like a linkshell or FC, but it's still a group of individuals who choose each other to interact with and form a private party.

Public groups would be those put together randomly by the game itself, through Duty Finder. There I would agree with you. In DF, nobody has a right to reserve loot to themselves and insist the other players they were randomly grouped with have to leave it to them.

Now if you play with a static, linkshell, or free company in which everyone knows eachothers' goals and and work together long-term to achieve them for everyone, that's something I'd be on board with.

And yet here in the OPs Party Finder group, everyone knows each others' goals and works together to achieve them. The only difference is the "long-term" modifier. I don't see how you can have such a different view of short-term private groups than you have of long-term private groups. Do you have a cutoff? Just how long do you think a private group should have to stay together before they get to coordinate looting rules with each other?