PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[Elim]

They're not really going to throw a tantrum and never PvP again because they can't cheese their way to the top, are they?

Yes. Some people will.

[Nalien]

Yes. Some people will.

Key word here. Some will, sure. All of them though? Nope.

If you have 80 people doing PvP "properly", and 160 off in their own little bubble win trading, if you pop that bubble and some leave, you're still going to have a fair amount joining the rest of us. Even if 75% of them out right quit PvP, that's still more people queue for real matches, which is a positive. I really doubt it would negatively impact the rest of us, unless people really would just AFK for a loss instead, though even that can be spun as a positive. More people queue, albeit to AFK and lose, means shorter queue times, and while it would suck to have someone AFK on your team, it doesn't for the opposite team (unless they too have someone AFKing, in which its an equal field).

[Elim]

Key word here. Some will, sure. All of them though? Nope.

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Those 180 could do normal PvP every day and only spend an hour or two win-trading. So loosing any of them is still a loss. You also forget that some people wont bother getting into PvP in the first place unless there's a quick way to get geared and able to fight on an even level with the vets. Take away the "quick way" aka win-trading, loose out on those people as well.

I honestly could careless if they made it against the rules, but instead of giving people another reason not to PvP, how about the devs spend their time improving the system? It needs a lot of help.

[Nalien]

Those 180 could do normal PvP every day and only spend an hour or two win-trading. So loosing any of them is still a loss. You also forget that some people wont bother getting into PvP in the first place unless there's a quick way to get geared and able to fight on an even level with the vets. Take away the "quick way" aka win-trading, loose out on those people as well.

If they only win trade for an hour or two, then if they cannot win trade, that is potentially an hour or two extra they can spend in proper PvP matches, so again, a positive. The only people really likely to out right stop are those who need an easy way, and I really doubt those are the ones doing PvP properly when they're not win trading, anyway. The players who play properly and win trade are not the ones likely to stop outright if win trading goes away.

I honestly could careless if they made it against the rules, but how about instead of giving some people a reason not to PvP, how about the devs spend their time improving the system instead? It needs a lot of help.

I agree. Like I've said, win trading is really just a symptom.

[Elim]

If they only win trade for an hour or two, then if they cannot win trade, that is potentially an hour or two extra they can spend in proper PvP matches, so again, a positive. The only people really likely to out right stop are those who need an easy way, and I really doubt those are the ones doing PvP properly when they're not win trading, anyway. The players who play properly and win trade are not the ones likely to stop outright if win trading goes away.



I agree. Like I've said, win trading is really just a symptom.

There could be positives, but it doesn't mean they'd outweigh the negatives. You can only guess and hope. Why risk it NOW with such a small pool of PvPers? Is enforcing your personal philosophy worth it?

[Nalien]

There could be positives, but it doesn't mean they'd outweigh the negatives. You can only guess and hope. Why risk it NOW with such a small pool of PvPers? Is enforcing your personal philosophy worth it?

Again, I don't care if they deal with win traders or not. I'm just playing devils advocate and pointing out that popping a bubble doesn't destroy its contents.

If SE deals with win traders, I doubt they'd do so out of the blue, for the reasons stated, it's much more likely that they'd do so while they make major adjustments to PvP that would hopefully fix the current issues leading to people win trading.