Changing Class in Dungeons

[rhemi1]

I swear, this game will never get any new features because this community is scared to death of 'abuse' which often comes in the form of incredibly contrived and ridiculously specific situations they just made up.

This is what they created the report feature for. Report people breaking the rules, move on, get over it and if you're still scared to death of random players, do what every other person does and make friends and run with them.

[Orophin]

I didn't like this in 1.0. It became a requirement to have x classes leveled to run the entire three dungeons we had just to make the runs 5 minutes faster. I know this isn't the intent of changing the system, but inevitably this is what will happen.

There are systems in place now to fill spots if people drop/dc/whatever. I don't think this really needs to change.

[Kerowyn]

I didn't like this in 1.0. It became a requirement to have x classes leveled to run the entire three dungeons we had just to make the runs 5 minutes faster. I know this isn't the intent of changing the system, but inevitably this is what will happen.

There are systems in place now to fill spots if people drop/dc/whatever. I don't think this really needs to change.

I think people are wanting this jut BECAUSE if a Tank or Healer quits a party it takes much longer for the DF to find a replacement for those classes than a DPS Class. Lets face it, not many tanks and healers ( including myself most of the time ) will Queue up in the DF with the Join in Progress Option checked. Theres a really good chance that by the time the new tank or healer loads in the groups already lost more party members. Cant even count the numbers of times that's happened to me when I've joined the Queue as a healer and I got in and the tank has already left.

[Delsus]

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Whilst the intent is good, it would be exploited by denying people who don't have certain jobs leveled, I can get any runs with my DRG, but that would change if this was added the basic would be BLMs only for trash, change to specific classes for the mini bosses then change back to BLM for more trash, and to specific jobs for the boss, just look at all brayflox HM myth speed runs all are BLM only just to kill aoe trash down it will be the same if class changes in dungeons were allowed (remember AV in 1.0, all BLMs for the run, and change to MNK for the boss? how does anyone think that will be different now?

[Skivvy]

Whilst the intent is good, it would be exploited by denying people who don't have certain jobs leveled, I can get any runs with my DRG, but that would change if this was added the basic would be BLMs only for trash, change to specific classes for the mini bosses then change back to BLM for more trash, and to specific jobs for the boss, just look at all brayflox HM myth speed runs all are BLM only just to kill aoe trash down it will be the same if class changes in dungeons were allowed (remember AV in 1.0, all BLMs for the run, and change to MNK for the boss? how does anyone think that will be different now?

My main concern would be duty finder runs, as those are the ones you really find yourself getting screwed on if/when a tank or healer leaves. Party finder will always have those groups that have crazy requirements, so that to me is a moot point.

[L-D-Omlette]

Could still be abused, think about a group of 3 enter, and the person wanting healing gear just didn't feel like healing but wants to need on potential on last chest.

Before they get to last boss they vote kick the healer and then vote to change the person who wants healing gear into healer. Then a random DD joins oblivious to what just happened.

There aren't any instances where this would really make sense. It seems like an extreme edge case. It would also fall into reportable for abuse of the vote-kick system.

Whilst the intent is good, it would be exploited by denying people who don't have certain jobs leveled, I can get any runs with my DRG, but that would change if this was added the basic would be BLMs only for trash, change to specific classes for the mini bosses then change back to BLM for more trash, and to specific jobs for the boss, just look at all brayflox HM myth speed runs all are BLM only just to kill aoe trash down it will be the same if class changes in dungeons were allowed (remember AV in 1.0, all BLMs for the run, and change to MNK for the boss? how does anyone think that will be different now?

You're ignoring the premise for the need/request for this feature; to replace a missing member. Your scenario wouldn't be possible under those conditions.

[Akujin]

A couple things to make that work.

1. The only way you can change class outside of what you already are, as in going from DPS to healer/tank, or Healer to DPS, is if there's a vacant position in the party for that particular class/job already due to someone leaving the instance. It would have to be designed that you could not queue in as a standard party, then everyone switch to all DPS/Heal/Tank, or overstack 3 DPS and one tank as someone already mentioned.

2. Outside of that, to maintain the balance of what they intended with not being able to switch gear mid battle, there can be no class/job switching as long as anything is on the aggro list at all. To expand on that, the switch would have to occur only to fill in a specific vacancy due to a kick/abandon only, with no ability to change once even a single monster has been on your hate list, even if defeated. So basically you could only do it at the start of an instance if someone leaves, or, only after someone has vacated that slot if mid way through the run so that the criteria resets. But if for some reason you aggro a mob, or decide to continue running it without that particular slot filled, you cannot switch afterwards and have to allow DF to do it's thing.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

It's not the same ..

People are saying it will be abused when people want an item and will change class to ninja the item, but you can't do that as you would be required to ask your party if its ok to change class.

There is no problem here.

Again !!

People aren't reading the whole thread, for someone to change class they would need to ask the permission of the party first so it would not create this situation.

I'm not sure you're reading the whole thread either. Yes, people aren't going to be able to ninja change. That's not what people are saying. They're bringing up instances where there are FCs who will PUG 2 people then allow one of their own to change jobs to the detriment of those 2 PUGs.

ANYWAY
I am not opposed to this. Never said i was. Just observing that there's going to be potential for abuse and that we're bound to see it if it is implemented.

[Duelle]

I think people are wanting this jut BECAUSE if a Tank or Healer quits a party it takes much longer for the DF to find a replacement for those classes than a DPS Class. Lets face it, not many tanks and healers ( including myself most of the time ) will Queue up in the DF with the Join in Progress Option checked.

That simply shows that there shouldn't have been an "in-progress" option in DF to begin with. Even WoW pooled new and in-progress runs in their group finder to avoid the sort of problem we are seeing here.

[Pyreflye]

While it does sound like a good idea, there are some problems that do arise.

1) The idea of voting definitely fixes a lot of potential griefing.

2) You should only be able to switch to a class that is missing.
If a tank leaves, someone can only switch to a tank class.

3) This is the biggest issue I can find.
If a DPS class can switch to another, that brings a whole new level of griefing.

Say some group in the DF wants to SR (Brayflox, for example), if you're a DRG queuing, and they want a BLM, they can simply vote kick you for not having the ability to switch to their "required" class.
It would definitely happen frequently, considering the abuse coming from vote kick/abandon already.

I can imagine it already...Oh, the horror.