Changing Class in Dungeons

[Jinko]

Search forums for "Vote Kick" and "Vote Abandon" and all the problems that have arisen there..

It's not the same ..

People are saying it will be abused when people want an item and will change class to ninja the item, but you can't do that as you would be required to ask your party if its ok to change class.

There is no problem here.

In short, 1.0 class stacking should come again
Kill trash mobs with all dps as BLM, switch to MNK at the endboss. Keep out of party if you don't have BLM or MNK.

Except we are talking about DF here, premade parties work differently.

I guess the best solution to this would be, if a player leaves the party allow players to change class before requesting a new player.

I've dealt with this mechanic in DCUO.
Someone queues as a tank or healer to get a quick instance pop and then switches to dps.
More often than not one of the dps then agree to switch to heals rather than wait even longer for another healer.
The abuser gets a fast queue time and makes someone who has waited patiently to play as DPS switch to something they didn't want to play.

If someone was to do this three or four times before not getting kicked they would still get a group much quicker as a dps.

Everyone should realize in 2014 that if a MMO mechanic can be abused/exploited it will.

Again !!

People aren't reading the whole thread, for someone to change class they would need to ask the permission of the party first so it would not create this situation.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

It's not the same ..

People are saying it will be abused when people want an item and will change class to ninja the item, but you can't do that as you would be required to ask your party if its ok to change class.

There is no problem here.

Again !!

People aren't reading the whole thread, for someone to change class they would need to ask the permission of the party first so it would not create this situation.

I'm not sure you're reading the whole thread either. Yes, people aren't going to be able to ninja change. That's not what people are saying. They're bringing up instances where there are FCs who will PUG 2 people then allow one of their own to change jobs to the detriment of those 2 PUGs.

ANYWAY
I am not opposed to this. Never said i was. Just observing that there's going to be potential for abuse and that we're bound to see it if it is implemented.

[Felis]

Except we are talking about DF here, premade parties work differently.

"Ok, guys, we do plan x here. It is the easiest and fastest way. All DPS change to BLM to kill the trash mobs with some AoE. Then at the endboss back to melee except to DRG for focused damage. If you are not ok wih it, you get vote-kicked"

People already force speedrun to the others in a DF party. This would be also forced to the other players in the DF.

[RyuDragnier]

abuse potential is high. think chests, etc.

That would be easy to bypass with code. As the party is registered at the beginning, so is your ability to Need. If you came in as a DRG and later turned into a WAR, you cannot Need on tank gear, only DPS gear linked to that which a DRG can normally get.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

Not saying I disagree with you or that it's not possible to implement, just noting that there potential for abuse is there. Look at the Vote Kick option and how that was abused.

Scenario: FC group of 6 picks up 2 PUGs with a "Greed party." Let's say the two PUGs are healers and both are after heal gear. Prior to opening chest, group votes and allows say one of their DPS to change to heal who then rolls need. It's really not that far-fetched...

[Castillan]

Not saying I disagree with you or that it's not possible to implement, just noting that there potential for abuse is there. Look at the Vote Kick option and how that was abused.

Scenario: FC group of 6 picks up 2 PUGs with a "Greed party." Let's say the two PUGs are healers and both are after heal gear. Prior to opening chest, group votes and allows say one of their DPS to change to heal who then rolls need. It's really not that far-fetched...

How would that be any different to today? Before chests are opened, FC group kicks both PUGs, and they agree among themselves who will roll Greed and who will Pass on the loot.

What you're saying is a moot point with respect to the suggestion, because the possibility for abuse that you describe is already possible without the suggestion.

[Altijacek]

This is so easily solved XD...first off there would be the vote option. Secondly, the person switching would only be able to roll on the gear they initially went with. Bam. Abuse potential gone.

[Daenerys_Sedai]

This is so easily solved XD...first off there would be the vote option. Secondly, the person switching would only be able to roll on the gear they initially went with. Bam. Abuse potential gone.

Thinking about solutions is always good! A few comments regarding this:
1) The downside to this is taking away incentive for someone to change. For example, "well, I could change to tank but since I can't get tank gear at the end, why would I want to?"
2) There has never been this restriction (can only roll on gear that your current job can use) on dungeons generally speaking. There would be a lot of loot dropping to the floor, which--given the qqing re CT lockouts--is never a good. Dungeons would have to pre-load treasure chests with only gear that the party makeup can use. Even if that were possible, just think of all the QQing by DPS who have to compete with another pt member(s). Whereas, the healer(s) and tank(s) do not have the same type of competition.

Having the ability to roll on any loot is a good thing. It makes the tome grind less painful as I know that I can just GC-seal the DL drops that I have no use for.

[Skivvy]

This is so easily solved XD...first off there would be the vote option. Secondly, the person switching would only be able to roll on the gear they initially went with. Bam. Abuse potential gone.

I'm not really fond of this idea. This would just be something that the person changing jobs has to take into account. Personally speaking, I'd happily give up my ability to "need" on gear just to complete the dungeon. Some people may not want to give up that option, and in those cases, they would then just have to wait for someone to join-in-progress as normal.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

This is how it was in 1.0. Anyone could change classes at anytime. Which led to parties stacking one class for part of the dungeon then switching to another for a different part etc... Early on there was a dev post explaining why they were removing this from 2.0 but I don't remember the reasoning, but it has been addressed.