The Monk Temple Reborn

[prophecy4seen]

Hi there, im a ps3 user mnk, currently progressing T8.. my average dps b4 a day ago was only about 250.. then i managed to raise it to 300.. and the reason was 1 button... L3 (i dont know what this is for pc users).

So basically it seems that if i move without L3 activated, my monk moves without auto attacking, thus i lose dps over the duration of the fight... does anyone know how to get around this?? using L3 makes dodging mechanics hard, and whenever i watch monks on pc, they never seem to use diamond focus. (thats what im calling until im told its real name).

[prophecy4seen]

QUESTION 2:
How important is it actually to keep up dragon kick and twin snakes.. il give you an example, and then you tell me which is stronger.. (BOTH OF THE FOLLOWING COMBOS ASSUME THAT YOU ARE ALREADY IN GL3)
combo 1.. the standard : DK >TWIN >DEMO >BOOT >TRUE >SNAP > DK> TWIN >SNAP > BOOT >TRUE >DEMO.
This combo keeps up TWIN & DK.
now is it actually stronger than the following..

Combo 2: DK > TWIN >DEMO >BOOT > TRUE > SNAP > BOOT > TRUE > DEMO >DK > TWIN > SNAP

You get a total of 5 moves off, 2x bootshine. 2x true strike. and 1 snap punch off while under the effects of dragon kick and twin snake.. you then Demo when it has run out (slight damage loss there i know). and reapply it.

Let me know which combination is stronger and why, if there any number crunchers among you, please show evidence.

Thanks <3
P.S. apologises for any spelling errors.

[Misake]

You seem to be using a parser. How about you test them yourself?

[Gesser]

My question is, why don't people open thusly:

ToD>Boot>Twin>Demo>DK>PB>Snap>BfB>Snap>IR & so on.

A lil 'slower' start but you get DoT's, DK, & Twin already rolling for the Snaps~.

[prophecy4seen]

@ Misake
im on ps3. i only get the results others tell me. i come to the monk temple, to be told by monks that understand the class better than i do, and can give proper insight.

[enil]

My question is, why don't people open thusly:

ToD>Boot>Twin>Demo>DK>PB>Snap>BfB>Snap>IR & so on.

A lil 'slower' start but you get DoT's, DK, & Twin already rolling for the Snaps~.

Snap is only 180 Potency - it really isn't your damage builder, Bootshine/Truestrike/Demolish by far do more damage. Using PB first is to get your GLx3 up and running asap which is by far your most important buff, each stack of GL is 9% damaage and attack speed by 5% which is more than DK's 10% blunt resist or Twin's 10% damage buff

[enil]

Assuming you have a 2.0GCD your DK debuff will not apply for your next Coeurl/DK and Twin snakes will not apply for the next DK/Twin + autos that take place in between buff renewals.

You'll need to equalise to 6 cycles so the we can accurately compare the 2 rotation cycle vs 3 rotation cycle.
Regular rotation
3 DK, 3 TWIN, 3 BOOT, 3 TRUE, 6 Coeurl
New rotation
2DK (Without Buffs), 2 Twin (Without Twin buff), 4 Boot, 4 True, 6 Coeurl (2 without DK)

We can reduce this difference to
3DK, 3TWIN, 2 Coeurl vs 2DK (No buff), 2 Twin (without twin Buff), 1 Boot, 1 True, 2 Coeurl without DK.

(450 + 420 + 360) * 1.1 *1.11 = 1501 * Critratebonus
300 + (280)*1.11 + 190*1.221 + 360*1.11 = 1242.59*Critratebonus + 225

This assumes all Coeurl attacks are SNAP (benefits COMBO2), and ignore any possible autoattacks that are taking place and possibly using ToD will further increase the difference since you will increase your buff uptime loss.

[Akirakogami]

any more detailed instructions on how to get position bonuses? I guess the position is counted when you start the skill right? i always worry about missing autos while i'm moving since i'll be facing the direction i move for a bit. It's akward moving around big enemies.

[KaosPrimeZero]

with Auto Attack being about 30% of our overall DPS you really don't want to be missing them however ill be damned if I can use the Standard camera. That's the most horrid camera system I've ever used in a video game :/

[prophecy4seen]

@Enil sorry i didnt really understand the maths, but yes, the second combo would mean. your demo would never have the DK & TWIN boosts, they would always fade just as your reached it.. and obviously you ud lose out on the xtra damage while reapplying DK & TWIN.
But isnt the xtra potency from getting an xtra 'empowered' bootshine and true strike worth it. as far as i know truestrike is our strongest burst attack, followed by bootshine (providing it crits).
im not sure how badly auto attacks would play a part in the above though.

@primezero
yeah, i know as a pc user you guys can actually side step, so you move from back to flank without looking away from the boss... but as far as i know, people on controller analogs cant do this.. without diamond targetting. but putting that on kind of traps you if your slow at switching it of for the mechanics.