Why don't skilled players help people who are struggling?

[Sadana]

Lol valala, Miss Mystery is it? :P haha.
Harmonium are like the salvation army, well up for helping the injured, the weak or the downright stupid! Am I right? :P

I'm not sure this sounds so good when put this way TT^TT But yes, we do like to help people.

[Zaels]

For people who are not in a 'static' group of elite players, this means needing luck in finding random players via Duty Finder or Party Finder groups. However, random groups of players have a near 100% failure rate. I've tried some dozens of different Titan (extreme) groups, but most fail the battle near the beginning even after many attempts, due to the actions of perhaps a few players in the team.

I can't teach people how to dodge. I can't help people get better reaction time.

[Sapphic]

With PF, ive found that so many of the parties wanting over geared and "experienced" players are just hoping to get carried. Especially the 2 fails and your out, a rule which never applies to the leader!

I DF roulette and other things I do with FC. Albeit ive jumped in some PF parties and DF trials. Normally training parties in PF. Yet even though it's marked as training, you get someone rage quitting after one wipe *boggle,*

[Doo]

With PF, ive found that so many of the parties wanting over geared and "experienced" players are just hoping to get carried. Especially the 2 fails and your out, a rule which never applies to the leader!

Yeah farm parties and know the fight parties are pretty much meaningless now. On one hand you have players that are looking to be carried so they joined these groups and ruined it for everyone. On the other hand you have players that make these pf groups looking for strong players to carry them through.

[Taruranto]

1) The way FFXIV fights work, it's very hard to clear them with an inexperience party. Look at Titan, you either know the fight, or you don't. You either know the rotation, or you don't, You can't expect every experience player to jump in and wait as all party members learn Titan. FFXI got a lot of shiet for being "hardcore" and "unfriendly", but since it's fight didn't rely on one hit=KO mechanics, they were much more friendly to new players and groups. The only fight I can think people can learn together is Mog Exe.

2) Just because people don't help you, it doesn't mean they don't help. People help their friends, you can't expect everyone to jump in for the first stranger they know. It's similar to in RL.

3) Because the game is easy (levelling is fast, echo buffes) this leads to a lot of awful players. Why does it matter? Because you try to help a group of people that has problems with DPS checks in iLevel 90.

[Sapphic]

sad to say this but you're better off with a video, and i wish you wasnt.
it's better because god forbid you ask questions, ppl get pissy and call you names...or simply, DON'T RESPOND! happened to me, and i died
and someone said to kick me.
.

Problem is, theres so many who either totally ignore any friendly advice and keep doing their own thing. Or turn around and throw back insults. Doesn't stop me from trying for those that are receptive and see themselves improve, which makes it more fun for not just the rest of the party, but for them selves.

Terrible anti-social behaiviour can be found in all types of players, not just the "top" players

[Doo]

1) The way FFXIV fights work, it's very hard to clear them with an inexperience party. Look at Titan, you either know the fight, or you don't. You either know the rotation, or you don't, You can't expect every experience player to jump in and wait as all party members learn Titan. FFXI got a lot of shiet for being "hardcore" and "unfriendly", but since it's fight didn't rely on one hit=KO mechanics, they were much more friendly to new players and groups. The only fight I can think people can learn together is Mog Exe.

Yup. Player skill in this game just means knowing the rotation so it's either you can do it or you can't. There's really no adapting and still being able to pull off a fight like most other mmos. The dps checks make it impossible to have a dd down for long, tank dead means wipe, etc. Skilled players don't have much of an effect besides executing their rotation perfectly and still watching others fail over and over. I think that's what I hate most about end game, it's too rigid.

[Sapphic]

Why don't skilled players help people who are struggling?

Think question you need to ask, and answer is: Why should they? There are numerous guides on the internet with rotations and strats. Good players became good by learning the strats, learning their abilities and rotation, yet many expect others to do things that they are perfectly capable of doing themselves. I've come across many players who don't even read the tooltip for their abilities when they get them. eg Foes requiem. some BRDs still think it reduces their damage like ballads.

They pay for the game to play the game. not to be stand in teachers for every random person who expects them to. Who in too many cases either ignore or throw insults back after.

Personally I'm happy to assist (assist, not carry). But I'm not everyone and don't expect everyone to conform to what you think they should be like.

But theres many tools for players to be proactive in helping themselves. PF to set up or join training parties. Join or set up an FC or an LS for people like you. And of course the internet resources.

Titan HM and Titan EX are a memory fight, learning and memorizing Titan's rotation. Learn that and you can dodge a lot faster when you know exactly when things are coming. Also for Weight of the land and Landslide there are Visual cues too. On WotL, he raises his hands to clap. on Landslide, he turns. Learn and memorize the pattern and it all becomes much easier.

[Warlyx]

Yup. Player skill in this game just means knowing the rotation so it's either you can do it or you can't. There's really no adapting and still being able to pull off a fight like most other mmos. The dps checks make it impossible to have a dd down for long, tank dead means wipe, etc. Skilled players don't have much of an effect besides executing their rotation perfectly and still watching others fail over and over. I think that's what I hate most about end game, it's too rigid.

yeah every battle in FFXIV is predictable from start to end u know what will happen (some 2.2 bosses are a step in the right direction with some random skills , like T6 or leviathan dash u know its coming but dont know from where)

once u know every step of a fight and where to go /kill, its easy (other than random mistakes of course :P)

[Rufalus]

There are numerous guides on the internet with rotations and strats..... PF to set up or join training parties. Join or set up an FC or an LS for people like you. And of course the internet resources.... Learn and memorize the pattern and it all becomes much easier.

No no, that isn't what the thread is about, I dont need a training party. In the case of titan I can dodge and play just fine. But this isn't a 1-player game, I need other people to do it with me. There are people capable of beating titan out there, but getting 8 of them together in one group at the same time is no easy task.