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    Quote Originally Posted by geniusprime View Post
    Like others, you share the opinion that because folks are playing the game in a way you don't like they should be penalize and measures should be taken to prevent them from playing the game in that manner. In reality their method of playing doesn't not directly affect you. So instead of wanting a system which rewards folks like yourself who play the game more strategically you specifically want to punish gamers who don't want to play the way you play. That is such a bizarre but fully realized point of view in this thread. Which is disturbing to say the least.

    Again reward the gamer for playing well instead of penalizing them when they die;you die you are sent back to the crystal, if its a leve you loss time, its its not a leve you suffer more equipment damage or something along those lines. There are various ways in which the gamer can receive a penalty without adding timesinks and without making their gaming experience miserable.
    No, I think your missing everyones point when most of us say that we want more of a death penalty, because it promotes skillful play...Not ones who go into a fight thinking they can just throw all attacks at a mob and win. This breeds people who have no experience in tough fights and will not fit well for the new grind party system that will be implemented. And I'm not saying I want to punish the way you play, but otherwise suggesting maybe find another game that is easier for you to just hack and slash. The way your portraying yourself right now leads me to believe you won't make it in the Dungeons or other skillful battles.

    Note to self: Don't PT with Brama Prime when it comes to strategic battles and hate control, which is the concept of most MMOs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galoot View Post
    No, I think your missing everyones point when most of us say that we want more of a death penalty, because it promotes skillful play...Not ones who go into a fight thinking they can just throw all attacks at a mob and win. This breeds people who have no experience in tough fights and will not fit well for the new grind party system that will be implemented. And I'm not saying I want to punish the way you play, but otherwise suggesting maybe find another game that is easier for you to just hack and slash. The way your portraying yourself right now leads me to believe you won't make it in the Dungeons or other skillful battles.

    Note to self: Don't PT with Brama Prime when it comes to strategic battles and hate control, which is the concept of most MMOs...
    This is obviously the type of community we need to habor in this game. Hate on anyone who does not share your point of view. Your comment is rather extreme and borderline fanatical.

    I don't play to die. I have no desire to die in this game or any game. To also assume that my strategy is an incorrect assumption.

    You incorrectly associate my views on death penalty to lack of strategy. Rather absurd to say the least, especially when I play as a support class in ALL of the MMOs I indulge. You know the person who tries to keep people alive. Must say that your conclusion is an interestingly incorrect deduction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galoot View Post
    No, I think your missing everyones point when most of us say that we want more of a death penalty, because it promotes skillful play...Not ones who go into a fight thinking they can just throw all attacks at a mob and win. This breeds people who have no experience in tough fights and will not fit well for the new grind party system that will be implemented. And I'm not saying I want to punish the way you play, but otherwise suggesting maybe find another game that is easier for you to just hack and slash. The way your portraying yourself right now leads me to believe you won't make it in the Dungeons or other skillful battles.

    Note to self: Don't PT with Brama Prime when it comes to strategic battles and hate control, which is the concept of most MMOs...
    An elitist mentality is a dangerous thing to have, my friend. While you have valid points in your argument, you go on to say that people who don't play the game the way YOU feel it should be played have to find other games? People may actually enjoy this game for different reasons than you do. And I know quite a few who choose to play solo simply so they don't have to deal with others controlling how they play the game. We live in a world full of people with different ideals. That reflects in MMOs, and it's time we accepted it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Symon17 View Post
    An elitist mentality is a dangerous thing to have, my friend. While you have valid points in your argument, you go on to say that people who don't play the game the way YOU feel it should be played have to find other games? People may actually enjoy this game for different reasons than you do. And I know quite a few who choose to play solo simply so they don't have to deal with others controlling how they play the game. We live in a world full of people with different ideals. That reflects in MMOs, and it's time we accepted it.
    I apologize Symon if you took offense to my posting to geniusprime maybe you guys are "Prime" pals, but I'd also appreciate it if you wouldn't call me an elitist. Because I don't think I'm better then anyone else, however I don't like the promoting of bad play. And if you don't think the current system promotes bad play then your mistaken big time. I'm also not telling others how to play the game, but I can say that if the game was structured properly this kind've behavior wouldn't be happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galoot View Post
    I apologize Symon if you took offense to my posting to geniusprime maybe you guys are "Prime" pals, but I'd also appreciate it if you wouldn't call me an elitist. Because I don't think I'm better then anyone else, however I don't like the promoting of bad play. And if you don't think the current system promotes bad play then your mistaken big time. I'm also not telling others how to play the game, but I can say that if the game was structured properly this kind've behavior wouldn't be happening.
    and a severe death penalty promotes cowardly play. i am not saying this penalty is severe or even needs to be changed, but since our sp is capped on mobs 10 ranks above you the fights against the goblin and basilisk would cease. if there is no reward and penalties become too severe people will go back to being safe instead of taking risks.

    i like to challenge myself against the toughest mob i can with the group i play with most times. if the penalties towards trying tough mobs became too tough that would stop and i would do the mobs that is the top of my sp cap and nothing above it unless they had rewards i felt outweighed the risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galoot View Post
    I apologize Symon if you took offense to my posting to geniusprime maybe you guys are "Prime" pals, but I'd also appreciate it if you wouldn't call me an elitist. Because I don't think I'm better then anyone else, however I don't like the promoting of bad play. And if you don't think the current system promotes bad play then your mistaken big time. I'm also not telling others how to play the game, but I can say that if the game was structured properly this kind've behavior wouldn't be happening.
    Haha, the "Prime" thing is actually pretty common from my experience.

    It's not that I took offense. I mainly starting posting here because I saw a situation where a lot of people seemed to be blindly bashing someone who said something they disagreed with. I just don't like to see gamers being unnecessarily rude. We're playing in a world with these people, why burn bridges?

    Anyways, maybe it isn't intentional, but your post still makes it seem like you want to dictate the way others play the game. I don't understand why it matters is my point. I've seen people play strategically. It can be done. So those who choose to do so, should. If someone doesn't want to, let them get their kicks playing badly. They payed for they game same as you or me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galoot View Post
    I apologize Symon if you took offense to my posting to geniusprime maybe you guys are "Prime" pals, but I'd also appreciate it if you wouldn't call me an elitist. Because I don't think I'm better then anyone else, however I don't like the promoting of bad play. And if you don't think the current system promotes bad play then your mistaken big time. I'm also not telling others how to play the game, but I can say that if the game was structured properly this kind've behavior wouldn't be happening.
    You do realise that people would ALWAYS find a way to make any game "easier" to play? And there is a high chance that you may also not like the alternative ways folks discover even if it was changed to your liking. I don't agree with the concept of specifically punishing a certain typing of gaming which would inadvertently affect everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Symon17 View Post
    I mainly starting posting here because I saw a situation where a lot of people seemed to be blindly bashing someone who said something they disagreed with.
    Welcome to the internet. Strike that, welcome to life. The OP was blindly bashing people and their ideas as well, so don't bother white knighting.

    Quote Originally Posted by geniusprime View Post
    I don't agree with the concept of specifically punishing a certain typing of gaming which would inadvertently affect everyone else.
    That certain type of gaming is poor play. You should be punished for this. You're talking about dieing, something that you can avoid if you play properly. There is no good without bad, nor is there success without failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airlea View Post
    Welcome to the internet. Strike that, welcome to life. The OP was blindly bashing people and their ideas as well, so don't bother white knighting.
    Indeed. Though I'd like to think when I'm bored or have nothing better to do I can take up arms against the douchey forces of the internets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airlea View Post
    Welcome to the internet. Strike that, welcome to life. The OP was blindly bashing people and their ideas as well, so don't bother white knighting.



    That certain type of gaming is poor play. You should be punished for this. You're talking about dieing, something that you can avoid if you play properly. There is no good without bad, nor is there success without failure.
    Now I am being accused of bashing when I have yet to throw an insult at anyone. Thats interesting. As far as your comment to my actual comment. Its is poor play in your opinion. You still desire to punish not only the players who don't play like you but everyone else. There are many cases where you can play as perfect as your desire but you will still die. I also don't think you trying to understand the point that is being made from your responses.

    Let me make this clearer. I believe there are better methods than death penalty that would encourage gamers to want to be more successful at engaging enemies and that if there are DP, it should be done in a way that does not prevent or delay the gamer from playing.

    A non death penalty option can be killstreak or survival bonuses. These bonuses can range from more XP gain, higher DPS, faster regen, etc. However such a bonus can be either semi permanent or time limited. However when you do die, these bonuses are removed until the requirements are met.

    A non intrusive death penalty can be time deduction during leves or any time limited quest.
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