please revise ilvl req on df

[skaterger]

ilvl requirements are indeed a tad on the low side. The reason coil runs are still relatively successful is because there are at least 2-3 players in i90 or more carrying the group, not to mention the echo buff. Try putting a full party of 8 strangers with an ilvl of 70 in turn 1 and watch the carnage.

[Gilraen]

ilvl requirements are indeed a tad on the low side. The reason coil runs are still relatively successful is because there are at least 2-3 players in i90 or more carrying the group, not to mention the echo buff. Try putting a full party of 8 strangers with an ilvl of 70 in turn 1 and watch the carnage.

Who needs to try, the first groups through Turn 1, long before the devs even thought to give Coil the Echo or gate content with iLevel requirements, WERE iL60-70. It was rough, but they did it and cleared up to deeper Turns to get that sweet, sweet loot. Yet it seems people have 'conveniently' forgotten that this game used to NOT have iLevel requirements and we all cleared the dungeons, well before the nerfs, without too much trouble if you were willing to learn what to do. Nothing is on the low side except peoples' levels of tolerance.

[skaterger]

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You seem to be conveniently forgetting that this is df we are talking about. These are the players who vote abandon after 1-2 wipes. Compare that with highly skilled statics who cleared said content in i60-70 gear. How you can even compare the two is beyond me.

I'm not condoning the dr or the ilvl. Just stating it the way it is.

[Gilraen]

You seem to be conveniently forgetting that this is df we are talking about. These are the players who vote abandon after 1-2 wipes. Compare that with highly skilled statics who cleared said content in i60-70 gear. How you can even compare the two is beyond me.

I'm not condoning the dr or the ilvl. Just stating it the way it is.

No, I'm not forgetting them, I'm actually thinking of them. The first people into every dungeon knew jack about it and had to learn everything the hard way, we all did. But now we have whole swathes of people who have done the dungeons and don't feel like helping those that come after for some reason or another. Instead they're relying on iLevel to make sure they don't have to deal with these fresh people and if they're suddenly forced to group with the new people they pitch fits and get argumentative. Or worse.