please revise ilvl req on df

[Issac]

Some people want to wear crafted and slotted gear. iLvl stops this from happening. It forces this attitude, supported by ingame systems, that it's farm myth/sold and wear the same thing as everyone else or you can't come.

It really is complete horse sh*t.

[Legacy_Wolfwood]

ilvl wont do anything but prolong the newbies going in. seen ilvl 85+ go into garuda ex... tank blames healers for himself and 3 dps dying by not avoiding wicked wheel/vortex, getting his spiny stacks up, just eating everything to the face.

Told him Benediction couldnt save them from that. He begs to differ that its the healers fault they cant move.

ilvl doesn't=skill

[Raenryong]

Opposite opinion:

Abolish iLvl.

It's destructive to the community and fosters a hostile play environment.

Why should people not be allowed to choose who they play with?

You're not forced to discriminate based on ilevel yourself, and you're not forced to join that person's party.

[UBERHAXED]

ilvl wont do anything but prolong the newbies going in. seen ilvl 85+ go into garuda ex... tank blames healers for himself and 3 dps dying by not avoiding wicked wheel/vortex, getting his spiny stacks up, just eating everything to the face.

Told him Benediction couldnt save them from that. He begs to differ that its the healers fault they cant move.

ilvl doesn't=skill

If you're a healer and don't know that you can't avoid wicked wheel (even sprinting well ahead of time they follow you) and then are blaming the tank for getting hit, then there's something you need to reevaluate. Now if you are taking about slipstream (which doesn't one shot anyone, so you should be able to heal through it anyway), get the attack names right because they do two different things. Slipstream is the only thing the tank can actively dodge (as opposed to passively at random) so if you're complaining about them taking other attacks...

[RumiP]

iL has nothing to do with people going overboard on levi or falling to their deaths on titan.

[alhandra]

i got a smn in AK last night wearing lvl 39 mnd jewelry and using the book from stone vigil. she was nice enough tho, welcomed our advice about gearing casters and overall i think she may have learned something. all is fine and well, cuz it was just AK

however, if i encountered this kind of nubbyness in Coil i would be more than a little peeved. good thing i would never use DF for coil, why on gods green earth would anyone subject themselves to that? not only is it a crap shoot on the skill lvl of players you might get but its also alot more efficient to be able to choose the classes you take with you.

[Gilraen]

All iLevel is is a 'You must be this X to ride' sign. Sadly, people want things broken down into simple terms and iLevel provides that. The fact dungeons require specific iLevels only promotes that view.

Why should people not be allowed to choose who they play with?

You're not forced to discriminate based on ilevel yourself, and you're not forced to join that person's party.

They didn't say people shouldn't choose, that's what Party Finder is there for. But iLevel is a terrible means of gating content and really should be done away with. Yes, Duty Finder will again produce undergeared people but believe it or not, they never were a 'flood' level problem. I know I never tried the harder content unless I could meaningfully contribute, my friends had to actually push me to try Titan (Hard) once I was in mostly Toxotes and had a primal weapon. Got my win, by the way, thanks to that.

[VallisRaine]

I promise you it's not about gear or iLvl. Skill > Gear/iLvL for example yesterday i ran T1 in DF on Pld now my Pld is only ilvl 80 atm. I'm not sure what iLvl the other Pld was but he was horrific. The only thing that was true was that he had iLvl 100 chest and about 600 more Hp then me and that he was terribad. Given that he said it was his first time on tank there and that he didn't know what spirits within was I tried to walk him through it very nicely. Either he wasn't rotating Cd's right or just didn't know the job I'm not sure but he had immense problems getting hate at split while i MT the Main Cad over to B spot. And on top of that he'd die half way through his snake after split, finally giving up after 4-5 wipes mad like it was the worlds fault. The whole party was more then willing to help him learn it even though it was DF group and we didn't mind the wipes. Lesson of the day iLvl is fine people just need more patience

[LunarEmerald]

Wanna know something funny, go look at the ilevel reqs for coil, guess what? First turn is i70 req. And upping ilvl req will do nothing to solve people not bothering to learn how to play.

iLvl reqs are fine as is, you can beat anything at the set level, with reasonably skilled players.

Eh. The extreme primals (excluding Leviathan) required ilvls are too low.

[Ryihito]

the point from DF is using it for learning

No. No it's not.