please revise ilvl req on df

[Yurihyuga]

Hi there this is obviously open for constructive criticism but I think this needs some revising.

There should be some form of clear progression and even more so when using df.
I did not think there was much of a problem with the levels required until yesterday was just farming gear from turn 1 and a paladin with AF1 gear made up some of the lvl req by buying mythology jewellery. He did not know what silence was and when we explained to use spirits within he said he did not have that skill.

Now one person should not spoil other people's fun and I am not saying raise ilvl req to the point of only top geared players should be able to join turn 1 for example.

What I am saying is there should be some form of clear progression - for example.

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[Yurihyuga]

fresh level 50 - start doing some dungeons until they start getting some tomes and get some mythology gear from doing story mode dungeons.
Step it up to do some HM dungeons once they have at least geared a bit better (not much but don't literally want a completely fresh lv50 in HM dungeons)

At this point - Mix it up maybe do some Crystal Tower if they wanted a little change and to get some ilvl80 gear however they can do this or HM dungeons but can't just step into CT either until at least picked up a little mythology gear) (CT needs more of a soldiery reward to be honest as its longer to run than a HM dungeon but another story for another day)

Once you have a mix of 70/80/90 gear might then want to do HM primals and start working towards relic and then +1 but again need at least an ilvl that is fair even if it is easier now than it ever was with echo and such people should still progress properly.

[Vaara]

Once you have a mix of 70/80/90 gear might then want to do HM primals and start working towards relic and then +1 but again need at least an ilvl that is fair even if it is easier now than it ever was with echo and such people should still progress properly.

Hard mode primals were always tuned for people in a mix of AF, level 60 gear and some Darklight. Now they have been made easier than before, and you want an average ilevel of 80?

It seems that now people are over-gearing everything, they forget what the real requirements are, relying on gear rather than skill.

[Yurihyuga]

Once you do all this you should have a minimum ilvl of really high 70/just about 80 and I think that is where coil should start even if its a bit overkill but the ilvl requirement isn't hard just work and this is the proper progression route.

What this would then do is that the people who queue in the df are not skipping content, people would know there jobs better and the quality of players would improve and it all still caters to the casual player as all of this can be done in there own time or with friends.

Please leave any comments if you agree/disagree. Please if you disagree leave a reason its not a bash post or an elitist post, I am only ilvl86 and starting to progress through the first turns of coil.

[Crimson-Falcon]

the point from DF is using it for learning

while PF is used for clear/farm

[MurakumoMillennium]

the point from DF is using it for learning

Nuuuuuuupe.

Its not about gear. I've gone into lots of turn 1 runs with people that still wear AF1 gear. Obviously it was chosen that way because it can be cleared that way.

It is about gear. Those people shouldn't be wearing i50 gear in something that requires i70. And it was made that way because all pieces are weighted the same as far as item level is concerned, when in reality your left side pieces give significantly higher stats than the right side does yet are valued the same. You could meet the ilvl req just by covering yourself in high ilvl accessories and be totally useless stat wise, or upgrade your main items and be more useful despite not meeting ilvl requirements.

[Takeva]

It is about gear.

I have to continue to disagree. Content can be cleared, as long as the person knows what they are doing. But that wasn't really the point of my post.
You want a certain ilvl? Use party finder. It's silly to expect to always get a decent group in Duty Finder.

[warren-ragnarok]

the point from DF is using it for learning

while PF is used for clear/farm

THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS!!
i cannot agree with this person at all

Learning should occur any time you have the chance, not just DF. If a level 50 PLD doesn't know that he should have spirits within or the gear, maybe he wasnt informed how to find that information, or to get to the quests for it, people in duty finder shoulda informed him, or he should be asking questions to his fc/ls/random strangers.

PF was made for whatever you want to form, training parties, fun runs, farming, or just random stuff (imagination is your limitation)

now likewise, if you try to give him information and he refuses to listen, kick him to the curb and get a new person, but if you're not telling him and he doesn't know, you are just as much part of the problem (informing him of what he can do to get those skills/gear)

[Ryihito]

the point from DF is using it for learning

No. No it's not.

[Muzy]

Wanna know something funny, go look at the ilevel reqs for coil, guess what? First turn is i70 req. And upping ilvl req will do nothing to solve people not bothering to learn how to play.

iLvl reqs are fine as is, you can beat anything at the set level, with reasonably skilled players.