Big mistake that SE did with new relic weapons

[Alise]

Nah, Relic weapon were strongest in 1.0 that required you to do every content in-game before the expansion.
Relic weapon in 2.0 will be the same, they have you to do Fate and farm tome now, next will be some other content unique to A realm reborn, and in the end, by doing all the process, it should be stronger than Coil. Reason? because it required huge enormous of time sink to get one, and unlikely anybody could get two. Whereas, Coil weapon is farm-able after your party get enough practice.

For example, by the time at the end of 3.0. Hardcore players base may get a few Coil weapons per character, but they still only have 1 relic. (or no more than 2).
Image how long will it take to repeat all 5 steps? Currently we only know step 1 and 2. And last step may be something like, using this weapon to kill T9 boss.

[ispano]

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Except they've said it won't be already. It might come close, but Coil weapons will be on top.

Q: Compared to primal weapons and relic weapons, how strong are you planning to make the weapons from Crystal Tower and the Great Labyrinth of Bahamut?
A: *Art of new rewards are shown in the video.
Since there were so many weapon drops from primals in 1.0 we tried hard to make some armor as well. That's not to say that they will come from primals, but we've worked hard to make full sets of gear for various fights.

For weapons, the strongest items will be those dropped from the Great Labyrinth of Bahamut, and we have a created a clear path for progression through content and gear. When you're level 50 you can clear a scenario and go after a good primal weapon. Once you have that, you can challenge the Crystal Tower, and get items from there. After that, challenge the Great Labyrinth of Bahamut. The difficulty of content and the strength of items will follow this order, going up and up. Both primal weapons and relics will have their own place in this hierarchy, and primal weapons are not at the top.

The other thing is, they, at least so far, don't seem to want to lock upgrades behind "hard" content, like Coil. Also people think that Relics MUST be the strongest lore wise, and this is mostly false. Atma, Zenith, Animus, doesn't matter. The Allagan Empire predates pretty much all of it.

[Aldora]

Well… To be honest, i don’t really pay much attention to it, since i was going for the Animus weapon anyway. But, i personally think that giving the Atma weapon an iLevel of 95 would make more sense then giving it iLevel 100 (since the stats of the Atma are “lower” then the Allagan and Wave weapons). Then, once you’ve upgraded the Atma weapon to Animus, it could’ve been been increased to iLevel 100.

[SionDurant]

Now if I am not mistaken, the relic weapons are suppose to be the more powerfull in game. Yet for some reason "BOTH" tier 3 and 4 stages of relic weapons are both ilvl 100, when stage 4 should be ilvl 115 (same as highest ilvl weapons in game).

Also the fact they both say ilvl 100 when the stats/dam is higher on tier 4 then on the tier 3 does not make any sense.

Right and then they put them behind massive RNG, making them harder to attain than EX weapons but less effective up front. Makes 0 sense.

[Felis]

Well… To be honest, i don’t really pay much attention to it, since i was going for the Animus weapon anyway. But, i personally think that giving the Atma weapon an iLevel of 95 would make more sense then giving it iLevel 100 (since the stats of the Atma are “lower” then the Allagan and Wave weapons). Then, once you’ve upgraded the Atma weapon to Animus, it could’ve been been increased to iLevel 100.

Yes, but the stats on the ilevel 95 allagan weapon are at the stat cap and can't be upgraded, while the stats on the ilevel 100 atma weapons are not at statcap and can be upgraded. Once you have your Animus weapon you have an ilevel 100 weapon with stats at stat cap again.

Atma weapon is just a inbetween step between Zenith and Animus. Like the unfinished relict weapon during the first relict quest.

Would Atma keep ilevel 90 it would get the new stats not until all books are finished and the weapon get upgraded to Animus. But because the Atma is already ilevel 100 it can get the new stats the moment the first book is finished.

[Aldora]

Yes, but the stats on the ilevel 95 allagan weapon are at the stat cap and can't be upgraded, while the stats on the ilevel 100 atma weapons are not at statcap and can be upgraded. Once you have your Animus weapon you have an ilevel 100 weapon with stats at stat cap again.

Atma weapon is just a inbetween step between Zenith and Animus. Like the unfinished relict weapon during the first relict quest.

Would Atma keep ilevel 90 it would get the new stats not until all books are finished and the weapon get upgraded to Animus. But because the Atma is already ilevel 100 it can get the new stats the moment the first book is finished.

Well, the funny thing is… The Unfinished Curtana was iLevel 50, the Curtana was iLevel 80 and the Curtana Zenith was iLevel 90. So, making the Curtana Atma iLevel 100 and keeping it iLevel 100 for the Curtana Animus doesn’t really make that much sense, since the stats of the Atma are the same as the Zenith (making you think the Atma weapon should have the same iLevel of 90-ish and steadily increase it with each book you complete).

Also, when you look at the masterworks weapons, you have a Weathered version with an iLevel of 100 and after “upgrading” it, you end up with an iLevel 110 weapon.

The stats of the Weathered Burtgang are “on par” with the Curtana Animus and in my opinion, the stats of the Curtana Atma will only be “on par” with the Allagan Blade after upgrading the Curtana Atma with 1 Book of Strength, 1~2 Book(s) of Vitality and 1 Book of Parry.

Yes, the Curtana Atma is an upgradable weapon with which the means of upgrading its stats differ from upgrading the Masterworks Weapons. Basically, you are using the same weapon all the way through the upgrading progress, slightly increasing the stats with each book, so i understand that the iLevel doesn’t change along the way (and i think that this is the sole reason why SE decided to keep the iLevel all the way through, because you are still using the same weapon during the upgrading process).

But still, with all of this considered, making the Atma weapon iLevel 100 doesn’t really make any sense because of the difference in stats between the Atma (even after upgrading it with every available book), the Animus and the Weathered weapons.

But, this is my personal opnion. (^_^ ) Like i said in my previous post, it doesn’t really matter to me, since i’m going to get the Animus weapon anyway.

[ispano]

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Unfinished, Normal and Zenith are all different items. The idea behind making Atma 100 was so that when you did a book there was room in the stat pool to add the stats right away. If it was 90, since it starts the same as Zenith, that wouldn't work. In all likelihood they couldn't make the ilvl dynamically change as you boosted stats. The only other option was for you to have to wait for all books to be finished to get any change at all.

[DragonFlyy]

Right and then they put them behind massive RNG, making them harder to attain than EX weapons but less effective up front. Makes 0 sense.

RNG is not harder. Just time consuming. It takes no skill at all to get all the Atma for your upgrade. For everyone, time is just a constraint. For some people, raids are out of the question all together.

[Alise]

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That is the time before they talked before the Zodiak system. It was just meaning about Zenith and Primal EX weapons, so nothing can be useful speaking here.

Yes, the higher difficult content will drop better stuffs, and the most difficult content will be Relic. Because at the last stage, it is likely to ask you beat all hard dungeon-in game, just like v1. (that include coil.)