Atma Fate System Broken

[Rhas]

Been in Outer La Noscea for 3 weeks now. Nothing.
I managed to get 4 stones over a week, for about 12 hours of fate grinding for those 4. Three weeks on now, nothing. Not a thing.
There are some people on my server running around with 3 Atma weapons unlocked.

This is not a fair, just, and imbalanced system that rewards perseverance. It is a mind numbing irritating stone wall of a middle-finger to the players caught on the wrong side of the RNG. To make matters worse, I was in a fate party there. For two of them, they got their stone, within 30 minutes of even being there.

Yeah, me, 3 weeks on, real hard to say "congrats". Real hard.

Needless to say, I give up, until something is changed. Y'all can shove your atma and your stupid system for unlocking them where the sun don't shine.

I agree... the atma gathering sucks. I've only been at it for about 1 1/2 whole hours over the course of the last couple weeks and only have 4! What's the deal? I even got Outer La Noscea in about 5 minutes worth of fates. outrageous waiting time... oh wait...

/sarcasm off

[Worm]

Why is it insane to determine what the (typical) worst case scenario is, and then ask oneself, "Is this what we really intend with our system"? I'm a software engineer. I write code for a living. One of the things we're always doing, ALWAYS, is to look at the worst case scenario and determine if that is fair and reasonable and tolerable by the consumers of the software we make, and if it's not, then we find a better solution.

Well fortunately end user apps and video games are two very different things. I don't know what to tell you I didn't mind low drop rates in WoW and I don't mind them here. Your argument is essentially against anything that has a chance to not drop, since there will always be disparity somehow, and apparently things not being absolutely fair is now the worst thing in MMOs. I mean to you poker is broken, blackjack is broken, lottery tickets are broken, these are all awful unfair systems that need to be fixed by software engineers such as yourself. I just think you're silly, there's nothing wrong inherently with an item that doesn't drop the problem is players who don't have the maturity to get over the fact that their friend got a thing before they did.

So. Im at 24 hours worth of attempt time at this animus quest and I. Total I have 3 atma. Im at this point im certain im going to exceed whatever you deem a "non casual" grind. Please enlighten me how many more hours do I need to grind before my disdain is justified?

So you got none in the first 12 hours and then 3 in the second 12 hours? How are you still complaining? You literally just got 1/4th of the crazy outlier super lucky event you were belly aching about! Your disdain won't ever be justified because it is by definition petty and bitter, you can't approach rightful disdain because your issue isn't the time or the drop rate, your issue is that someone else got luckier than you. Mix that in with the handful of posters complaining about being on their 700th+ attempt with no Atma and you think you're justified but you're just upset that you weren't one of the lucky few. This grind could literally require 2000 fates for each Atma and I don't even know if you'd complain!

[Castillan]

I mean to you poker is broken, blackjack is broken, lottery tickets are broken, these are all awful unfair systems that need to be fixed by software engineers such as yourself. I just think you're silly, there's nothing wrong inherently with an item that doesn't drop the problem is players who don't have the maturity to get over the fact that their friend got a thing before they did.

Actually, I did not say, nor did I even imply, any of the statements you just made in your straw-man argument against me. Anyone who has the faintest modicum of comprehension skills can see that I wasn't. Please, go on, please enjoy debating with yourself inventing things that people did not say to shoot them down. I'm sure it's fun for you.

[Roris]

They've admitted they were wrong and the system is indeed broken, the hardcore supporters of this badly implemented RNG grind lose and now everyone else wins, this is a good day.

[Castillan]

They've admitted they were wrong and the system is indeed broken, the hardcore supporters of this badly implemented RNG grind lose and now everyone else wins, this is a good day.

Oh? Where is that? Can you link please?

[SionDurant]

Oh? Where is that? Can you link please?

I've not seen what he's referring to, but in Yoshi's most recent letter posted today he did mention that they delayed the continuance of the Zodiac Weapon saga due to feedback they'd like to incorporate, maybe this guy is seeing that as Yoshi saying it's wrong altogether?

[Worm]

Actually, I did not say, nor did I even imply, any of the statements you just made in your straw-man argument against me. Anyone who has the faintest modicum of comprehension skills can see that I wasn't. Please, go on, please enjoy debating with yourself inventing things that people did not say to shoot them down. I'm sure it's fun for you.

Oh come on, your single argument here is "someone may get the drop quicker than someone else" why shouldn't I extrapolate that to the lottery? How is it different?

You're the one throwing around the word "broken" because you didn't get drops. You're the one essentially dismissing any sort of low odds RNG as unfair. You're the one who made literally a complaint against chance itself, now you're screaming straw-man because extrapolating your statements about RNG to other games of chance makes you look ridiculous.

[ApolloGenX]

Oh come on, your single argument here is "someone may get the drop quicker than someone else" why shouldn't I extrapolate that to the lottery? How is it different?

Are you suggesting that the lottery is a good way to award quest rewards?

That is just about the very definition of a welfare reward. You have completely separated reward from effort or skill and base it on a random factor.

-So... that is the system you think should be used? Why bother with encounters? How about all the raiders pull a lever and the slot machine just rewards people at random?

I can't believe we have gotten to such a low point in gaming where people are actually defending the idea that gear is now just given out by lottery! No shame these days. Line up, hit the level 20 piñata to see if you get your rewards!

[TeaTimeBear]

Are you suggesting that the lottery is a good way to award quest rewards?

That is just about the very definition of a welfare reward. You have completely separated reward from effort or skill and base it on a random factor.

-So... that is the system you think should be used? Why bother with encounters? How about all the raiders pull a lever and the slot machine just rewards people at random?

I can't believe we have gotten to such a low point in gaming where people are actually defending the idea that gear is now just given out by lottery! No shame these days.

No we haven't gotten there sir, this is just human nature. "If I am not hurt by it then it's not a problem."

That coupled with the fact that people love to have something others don't. Like a group of cave men only a select few know how to make fire, but why share the method when they can keep it for themselves.

Dare one of them venture forth to educate the masses who cannot learn to make a flame, and he will be killed before he can even gather materials to teach. All you see now on these forums is mans innate primitive tendencies.

[Worm]

That is just about the very definition of a welfare reward. You have completely separated reward from effort or skill and base it on a random factor.

It's how games handled drops long before FFXIV and yeah I don't see the problem with it. On average people will be putting in the same amount of work, some will put in more and some will put in less. I'd actually LOVE to continue with comparisons to the lottery because then maybe I can get the phrase "Of course the lottery is unfair only the guy with the winning ticket wins after all" into your mouths.

Why bother with encounters? How about all the raiders pull a lever and the slot machine just rewards people at random?

Hey more crazy hyperbole. Yeah you got me Apollo, I just want them slowly turn this into a Vegas Stakes MMO! The dark secret of the Golden Saucer patch ... the entire game becomes the golden saucer O_o

I can't believe we have gotten to such a low point in gaming where people are actually defending the idea that gear is now just given out by lottery! No shame these days.

This is how these games have worked for decades. The point we reached is where people are so upset by someone else's luck that they're clamoring for it to all be turned into a badge grind so they can mentally handle it.